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by greenair727
Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Been thinking more about yesterday's CLE/BOS news. So there's one argument that Boston is nothing for UA, it's a low yielding route that can't make money for UA, maybe DL will do better because they can get some connecting traffic on this route, and they have greater critical mass on the Boston sid...

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by greenair727
Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

...Not that CLE is all that important to UA any more, but ceding BOS to Delta gives Clevelanders a new one stop, same airline alternative to Europe (one that is vastly superior in my opinion to EWR, and more "on the way" than IAD).... This is a very good point. This will make for a superi...

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by greenair727
Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Wow---that's great news! DL is preferable to UA anyway as its a higher quality of service (in any class). What kind of equipment will DL use? Will it be mainline or regional?

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by greenair727
Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Looks like UA is pulling the plug on CLE-BOS in March. They lasted longer than I expected. Wouldn't be surprised if DL jumps on this route. Nice opportunity for B6 to add frequencies as well. Yay B6/NK!!! I wouldn't say replacing UA with NK for a key business route is a victory by any measure. Betw...

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by greenair727
Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

The amount of anti-Burke feeling is mind-boggling. In an online economic development forum held this week, at least as reported by the PD, there was no mention of improvements at Hopkins or better air service, but a lot of people pushing the destruction of BKL. From the PD: Other questions were more...

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by greenair727
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Its supposed to be an eight-year project. Don't know when its supposed to start.

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by greenair727
Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Round 3 of a Cleveland United hub?

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by greenair727
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^But does Indigo's business model mix pax between its various airlines? It seems as they though they run each airline as standalone companies.

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by greenair727
Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^I hope not. Does anyone else find less than daily service horrendously irritating? I travel a lot for business and business travel is the golden egg for airlines. And since no one else is flying CLE-Europe, I hope FI makes a sincere attempt to capture the business traveler. But many a business trav...

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by greenair727
Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Will FI be year-round when they return? With the amount of pax on WW + FI this year operating 9x/week, FI could go daily and still be full each flight.

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by greenair727
Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^My point is it has nothing to do with Kennedy. Airlines WANT to make money and they will serve routes where they see it can easily make money relative to other routes. As I said, Cleveland is 4-5M people. And airlines have whole teams of people who analyze thousands of potential city pairs as they ...

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by greenair727
Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Kennedy's been here what, not even two years? In that time we've gotten DL to SLC, FI (and WW) to KEF, WN to MKE and ATL, NK to MSY, second daily flights to LAX and SFO on UA, and more. Just because CMH and PIT have a few things we don't have (just like we have routes they don't), does not make thi...

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by greenair727
Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^This is the brand new in-line baggage handling system I take it. I guess its not under warranty or the vendor may be saying CLE has to do things and that's why its not otherwise fixable...... I wouldn't expect substantial infrastructure improvements until after the master plan is completed. Until t...

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by greenair727
Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.cleveland.com/letters/index.ssf/2018/10/our_airport_is_a_disgrace_lett.html A succinct and well written letter to the editor complaining about the state of the airport. . . To be fair, Kennedy and others have tried to improve what they can with what they are given by CLE leadership and ...

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by greenair727
Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Another PD article on WW and FI. Nothing particular new in it regarding CLE, except maybe a statement by WW that, CLE wasn't necessarily losing money, rather WW could make more money elsewhere--and this part is speculation---like perhaps India. https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2018/10/cleveland-hopk...

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by greenair727
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^re the 8pm---that's no different if you are sitting at EWR or JFK and have an 8-9-10pm flight to Europe that gets cancelled. All options are the next day.

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by greenair727
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

All lot of CLE aviation buffs may not have a lot of love for CO/UA. But a lot of businesses and individuals have contracts and frequent flier miles with United. If available they will take a one-stop on a Star carrier versus a one-stop on an Icelandic carrier. If there was a non-stop option that wo...

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by greenair727
Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

From the PD article cited above: Quote from FI: "The loads outside of summer still do not appear to warrant year-round service, yet." How do they know? If one can't book FI outside of summer, they have no idea what loads would be like. I have a meeting in Europe in Nov--I wanted to take F...

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by greenair727
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

From the PD article cited above: Quote from FI: "The loads outside of summer still do not appear to warrant year-round service, yet." How do they know? If one can't book FI outside of summer, they have no idea what loads would be like. I have a meeting in Europe in Nov--I wanted to take FI...

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by greenair727
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

LFs for WW for June were 92.1% and for FI for June were 82.8%. Will get July and Aug numbers later. I truly hope FI goes 7x--at those LFs there would be more demand than capacity even at daily service.

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by greenair727
Wed Oct 17, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I did a quick and dirty estimate based on June international numbers out of CLE that said CLE traffic was somewhere around 130-140 pax per KEF flight (5 weekly by FI; 4 weekly by WW). If you spread this summer's traffic over a daily 2019 summer flight by FI, 173 pax per day exceeds the capacity of ...

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by greenair727
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I still couldn't take FI for a trip I wanted due to their 5x schedule. So I hope when FI returns it is daily and year-round. I also had a second trip for which I would have used FI, but am using DL because FI stopped flying because of winter, even though business doesn't stop because its winter (unl...

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by greenair727
Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^The majority of int'l traffic is likely on the Icelandics. And for leisure. Most business traffic may still be using UA/DL/AA via JFK, EWR, etc. So looking at the Icleandics and also Caribbean, for those traveling with kids on vacation, July is a full month off, but August is only about 20-22 days,...

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by greenair727
Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^4x--that's interesting. I would have preferred BOS 3x, and the addition of JFK instead....

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by greenair727
Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.crainscleveland.com/technol ... one-counts
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More support for a CLE-SAN flight, as the article says both locations will be kept.

Cleveland-based Votem acquires La Jolla-based Everyone Counts.
https://www.crainscleveland.com/technol ... one-counts

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by greenair727
Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

We never heard an announcement for Kennedy's "third TATL flight". Is the season over for such announcements for 2018, or might still something be said?

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by greenair727
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Are the 400% jumps in April usable/accurate?

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by greenair727
Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

In eniliria’s OAG post today, some strange one-month big jumps in capacity in April for WN, then a drop of 75% by 3 months later. Loading errors by WN or something else?

WN BNA-CLE APR 0.5>3[3] JUN 0>0.7[3]
WN BWI-CLE APR 0.7>3[3] JUN 0>0.7[3
WN CLE-MDW APR 1.0>4[4] JUN 0>1.1[5]

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by greenair727
Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Was downtown at the Indians game tonight. Nice to see United still advertising pretty heavily (7th and 8th innings with digital and physical banners). They also have a constant advertising presence on the digital boards in Playhouse Square (where they still operate a small sales office next to the ...

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by greenair727
Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Wait--what? You talking CLE-HNL? Or about WN entering the Hawaii market?

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by greenair727
Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

What's wrong with a new terminal on existing land? I'm not saying it would be easy to squeeze it in, but it would certainly be possible. The amount of money Kennedy is throwing around in the article is more along the lines of "new" rather than "bandaid". There's a reason there h...

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by greenair727
Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Where is the evidence that it now includes Wayne County, give us the website please. CSA are not good indicators of an airports potential because it can include multiple airports, as well as multiple MSA, that's why Airlines focus more on MSA. As an example look at L.A, a huge CSA but you have Burb...

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by greenair727
Wed Sep 12, 2018 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^I should add, we haven't had 9.7m pax in a while--since 2009 when we had 9.715M pax, which was down from 11.1M the previous year.... In 2007 CLE had 11.5M pax.

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by greenair727
Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^Interesting---I just calculated my own estimate for 2018 and was about to post here---when I saw Massey's---and its the same. I came to 9,701,014, which is a 6.1% increase over 2017.

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by greenair727
Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

... International Passengers July YTD 2018: 144,421 July YTD 2017: 120,380 % Change: 19.97% I'm not the greatest at interpreting O&D pax numbers, pax loads, etc., so I'm curious if anyone has insight into what these numbers (specifically international) might mean for new TATL service. Essential...

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by greenair727
Sun Sep 09, 2018 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Many Major Airports Are Near Sea Level
Replies: 34
Views: 6156

Re: Many Major Airports Are Near Sea Level

The list would be too long to mention here. If you can't stop sea level from rising, it seems like the only solution is to build dykes around them. But other infrastructures like access roads can be affected by floods. Not an easy job and certainly not a cheap one! How would dikes help these airpor...

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by greenair727
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India lands on runway-under-construction in Male (Maldives)
Replies: 29
Views: 6471

Re: Air India lands on runway-under-construction in Male (Maldives)

I read somewhere else that "tires were deflated" though the image a few posts up don't show that. Assuming the author meant 'deflated' upon landing--why would that occur--ultra hot asphalt from construction or some treatment to concrete that was yet to dry?

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by greenair727
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland
Replies: 84
Views: 9128

Re: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland

I dunno, but if I'm in Cleveland in the winter, I most likely will want to travel someplace....where it isnt winter. Not that difficult to figure this one. Ha...good point! The world is bigger than Iceland. The business world does not stop because it is cold outside. CLE-Europe is a very big market...

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by greenair727
Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If FI went from 5 days to 7 days in CLE they may see better returns as people still opt for the major alliances because there is no service for some on one or both directions of their trip. I know they offer flights to CLE via BOS (B6) on those days, but that makes EUR-CLE two stops vs. 1 stop at AT...

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by greenair727
Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/inde ... ngs_f.html

CLE bonds are now investment grade.


Great to hear and good call Massey!
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masseybrown wrote:
Now and then I get one right. :smile:

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/inde ... ngs_f.html

CLE bonds are now investment grade.


Great to hear and good call Massey!

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by greenair727
Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^If this were to be the case, I'd like to see AS enter the CLE market with a splash:

CLE-SEA
CLE-PDX
CLE-SAN

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by greenair727
Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Rwy 6R/24L is scheduled to remain closed until 9/15 due to construction - replacement of drainage tiles alongside of the runway.

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by greenair727
Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

It may be luxurious, but I would never do it---I'd take a later flight even if it meant connecting somewhere. But its true--there are many many flights that leave before 7am--poor travelers!

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by greenair727
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^What a vacation-killer. You spend a relaxing week in Florida, then have to wake up at 5 or 6am on Saturday to catch a flight back to CLE. Its kind of funny that people put so much expectation into WN's schedule 'extensions' for CLE only to be always and forever disappointed.

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

"City 1-Cleveland--bigger population:" Yeah, that's false. Cleveland is less than half the size of Columbus. "Bigger economy:" Again, false. Columbus has a greater GDP. "And 463 ACTUAL pax:" Who cares? As soon as AS starts, CMH will have more *actual* pax. If Columbus ...

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

^oh that's fine. I was thinking you meant outright cash like IND is paying DL for CDG--something crazy like $5M. marketing support and waived landing fees are minor--i'd say those are "incentives" more than "subsidies". but in either event, I'm okay with that. Lots of airports do...

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 7, 2019)
Replies: 106
Views: 7517

Re: Alaska Airlines adds SEA-CMH (from March 1, 2019)

Also, I believe NE Ohio traffic will help drive this flight in the winter as there is no non-stop option there during the "slow" season but plenty of demand... Not likely. People from CLE aren't going spend 2 hrs on the road for a flight to SEA when they could just as easily spend 2 hrs c...

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If CLE gets AS, you can bet that a subsidy will also be used. We used one for SLC, and we will have to use one for SEA. If CLE subsidizes AS they would be required to also subsidize F9. Therefore I don’t see AS being offered subsidies at CLE. CLE shouldn't subsidize SEA. There's enough natural dema...

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1772
Views: 156159

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

^Did they say how much the subsidy was?

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by greenair727
Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1578
Views: 138481

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

City 1-Cleveland--bigger population, bigger economy, and 463 ACTUAL pax. City 2-Columbus OH--smaller population, smaller economy, and 288 ACTUAL pax. Choosing City 2 OVER city 1 makes no sense. But we may know more soon---their 930 presser may reveal if Columbus is paying to have the route. And if t...

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