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T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 3:19 am

Now I know how some people must feel who cannot differentiate a 737-300 from a -500.

I have the same problem with two military planes, namely the T-38 and F-5. I know they look very similar. How do you tell them apart?
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 3:32 am

First of all if it is a one seater it is sure not a T-38.
I don't know any other vissible differences.
But: almost all T-38's are black or white painted, cause they are training aircrafts. And as much I know, no other country except the USA has got T-38's.

T-38:


F-5:
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 3:41 am

One more aircraft which is very similar to the two above:


This is an F-20 Tigershark. The F-20 Tigershark was designed, built and tested by the Northrop Corporation in the early 1980's. Three prototypes were built, of which two crashed during sales demonstrations and one now resides at the Los Angeles County Museum of Science.Northrop invested $ 1.2 billion inthe F-20 before it was cancelled by the company after six years of sales attempts with no customer. The lack of success in sales were due to shifting political sands in Washington, and unrelated to the aircraft itself, which was the first to fully exploit the digital electronics revolution and was the most advanced aircraft of its day. (Text from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MarkWade/f20top.htm)


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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 3:56 am

There is no difference between the T-38 and F-5 except that the T-38 is a two seater training version. It is a very very sweet trainer too. On your dollar ride they take you in a burner climb to FL450.
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 3:59 am

Well no wonder I can't tell them apart:

there's no difference!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 4:04 am

There are a few other ways to tell them apart.

In the T-38, the outer part of the inlets are angled, in the F-5 they are straight up then curve forward.

Unlike the F-5, the T-38 does not have wingtip tracks/hardpoints/fuel tanks.

Due to the 2 man cockpit (which is the best feature for telling them apart), the T-38s nose curves up slightly, while the F-5's (except for the RF-5E...but don't worry about that plane) nose is esentially straight.
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 4:10 am

T-38:
Germany, Taiwan, Turkey, USA


F-5:
Botswana, Brazil, Greece, Morroco, Norway, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, Venezuela, Bahrain, Chile, Honduras, Indonesia, Iran, Jordan, Kenya, Malaysia, Mexico, Singapore, Sudan, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, USA, Yemen.
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Mon May 07, 2001 4:32 am

>Flyf15, you're right with Germany and Taiwan, I didn't know that. Now I searched for information and I found that the T-38 is also used in Singapore and Portugal. But the Turkey doesn't use them, they have got NF-5A Freedom Fighters (also the aircraft of the Turkish Stars display team).

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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:01 am


Hi!

Just to add that although the T-38 and the F-5 look similar there are some differences. First of all the T-38 is always white, a colour used because it's a trainning aircraft, second is that the T-38 only have the chance to have 2 tip-tanks and the F-5 can carry weapons under and also in the wing-tips ( only the F-5E and F version with Sidewinders ). The older version F-5A and B looked quite similar to the T-38. The F-20 is a complete new design having just one engine, but... well we still can see some similarities. There was also a reconaissance version of the F-5 known as the RF-5, both the older ( A's ) and younger ( E's ), Malaysian Air Force was the last one to receive this version known as RF-5E Tigereye.
About Portugal, our Air Force received just after the revolution in 1974 6 T-38's to start the convertion to the F-5E that they should received after, latter another 6 T-38's came but the F-5E deal blew and the Air Force instead received 25 A-7P's Corsair's plus other 25 latter. The A-7P was a refurbished A-7A from the USNavy with a A-7E engine/avionics. All the A-7's where wfu in 2000 when Portugal received the brand new F-16A's. With the new trainning silabus also the T-37/T-33/T-38 where replaced by the TB30 Epsilon/Alpha Jet, so not any T-38 are left!!!
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Wed May 09, 2001 1:49 am


Somehow the front and the tail of this T-38 don't look white.  Laugh out loud
Great contribution, CV990.
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Wed May 09, 2001 6:29 pm

There are differences between these 2 planes.Both the air-intakes and the exhausts are different.
The F-5 has wider main gear tires and this means that the curve of the lower fuselage has a break in the air brake region on the F-5,whereas it is a single curving line on the T-38.
The F-5 can't fly unless it has at least a pair of launchers on the wing-tips.The T-38 has a different (longer?) wing and cannot carry any stores on the wing-tip.
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Thu May 10, 2001 4:41 am

T-38's are not white always...I've seen pics of T-38's in all black and also T-38's in grey camo...also isnt Portugal a T-38 operator?

Also, the biggest physical difference between the F-20 and F-5 is that the F-20 has one engine...

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Re:Fightingfalcon

Fri May 18, 2001 1:54 am

Hi Fightingfalcon,I am afraid you're misinformed about T38s in Turkey,because actually Turkey uses T38 at 2nd AFB izmir,Cigli.This is the main jet training base where the AirForce pilots are trined.Turkey also uses F5 A/B/E/N models for advanced fighter pilot training.
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 18, 2001 3:49 am

A side note concerning the F-20 Tigershark....

I believe it was the chief competition for the F-16 Falcon. Also, I believe Chuck Yeager really pushed and pushed the U.S. government to purchase F-20 over the F-16.

Am I correct?
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 18, 2001 5:01 am

F-20 was never in competition with the F-16. That was the F-17, which was later reeingineered into the F/A-18, my beloved Hornet.
The F-20 was a private development by Northrop in hope of getting a US DOD deal similar to the one they had gotten with the F-5 in the past for a cheap export fighter. When that deal did not materialise and everyone started buying F-16s like crazy, the project was shelved.
Mr. Yeager might have had a personal interest in the F-20  Smile It sure is not a bad aircraft, but range and payload are even worse than the F-16A block 10.
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 18, 2001 5:57 am

Mike,

You are correct in the fact that Chuck Yeager, really liked the F-20...it just came at a bad time...

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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 18, 2001 6:22 am

Thanks guys!

I just remembered seeing some TV commercials for the F-20 with Yeager in them. Man, that was a long time ago!!!

Wasn't the F-17 called the Cobra and very similar to the F-18?
 
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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 18, 2001 9:48 am

The t-38 Talon is simply a training airplane (see NASA t-38). Northrop decided after to make a good cheap fighter whit the f-5 for the vietnameses. Two canons, no radar, and possibility to put bombs and camera if you want. In Canada, the cf-5a was "the ultimate tactical airplane in seventies and half eighties" when it was bumping out by the f-18. I admit, it was a really gorgeous plane to see in flight.
A little story about that: A challenge will come in the 433 etac squadron in Bagotville Canada. Who will come whit more green on the wings and fuselage (literally read touch the woods!!!). The winner returns to the base whit
the half of is tail off!!! And of course, he was grounded for a time!
The f-20 tigersharks is the same mentallity for Northrop and we say in french about it: beau, bon, pas cher!
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RE: USAFHummer / Portuguese T-38's.

Sat May 19, 2001 6:47 am


Hi!

Portuguese Air Force T-38's where WFU when our air force changed the trainning sillabus. Until the arrival of the F-16's and the Alpha Jets the trainning sillabus was:

TB30 Epsilon - Primary Training
T-37C - Basic trainning
T-33A - Advance trainning
T-38A - Advance/supersonic trainning

At that time the Epsilon and the T-37C where at BA1 Sintra and the T-33A and T-38A at BA11 Beja. Then Portuguese Air Force WFU the Fiat G.91R3/R4/T3 and received from Luftwafe the Alpha Jet and also got their first F-16A's so it was time to review all the trainning sillabus, then the review was:

TB30 Epsilon - Primary Trainning
Alpha Jet - Basic/Advance tarinning

All them are based now in BA11 Beja and so all the "oldies" - T-37C/T-33A/T-38A where WFU. the T-37C had some fatigue crashes, the T-33A was an old one, our air force had 3 ex: Belgium Air Force ones FAP 1928/1929/1930 and also some from their first/second batch from ex: USAF machines that arrived in 1953 and 1966, so it was quite obvious to WFU them too. Finnally the T-38 was no longer necessary when FAP received the F-16A and B's. So no T-38 fly now in portuguese skies now!!!
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F-20, Only Three?

Sat May 19, 2001 10:51 am

This upload adds some interesting info about the F-20 pic.


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RE: T-38 Or F5?

Fri May 25, 2001 11:11 pm

Here are some T-38's with unique markings.....

http://www.af.mil/photos/Jan2000/19990616-f-5385s-010.jpg

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