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Mon May 07, 2001 10:17 pm

The F-22 is currently undergoing major testing. There are a few in service around the globe now but it has been said that the F-22 will take over air superiority by 2005. I know that they will be replacing the F-15C. My question is: will most of the F-15 fleet be replaced by the more advanced F-22 eventually? The F-15E is predominantly much newer than its predecessors but Im curious as to what others think will happen to the rest of the F-15 fleet (the A, B, C, and D models).
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RE: F-22

Mon May 07, 2001 11:30 pm

I think there are currently 7 F-22 built, including protoypes.
The F-22A Raptor (a two-seater trainer variant has already benn dropped) will replace the F-15 in the air superiority/air defence role in the USAF but not on a 1:1 base. The F-22 appears to be the most expensive fighter plane ever built and this, together with its presumed higher performances, will cause the fleet to be much smaller than the current F-15A/D fleet.
The F-15E is something apart as it has been developed to replace the F-111 in the strike role. It is possible that a strike version of the F-22 will be developed in a second moment to replace both the F-15E and the F-117A. Actually Lockheed-Martin and Boeing have been awarded a contract to study the way to put smart bombs inside the current missiles bays of the F-22.
Other F-15 users are thinking to the F-22 as a replacement: Japan and Israel. But it's unlikely that this very powerful (yet to be demonstrated) and very expensive (already demonstrated) machine will see some export sales.


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RE: F-22

Tue May 08, 2001 6:15 am

As I've stated in another thread, the F-22's future may be in doubt. There are 3 new strike/fighter programs in the US... the F/A-18E/F, F-22, and JSF. The F/A-18E/F is definately going to happen as it is far along, money has been appropriated, and is necessary for the Navy to have something to replace the F-14 and fill the strike roll of the A-6, along with possibly the role of the EA-6B. Now, the problem is, the DoD/Government doesn't have enough money for both the F-22 and JSF, so, more than likely, one is going to be cut.

About the only thing out there in mass service that the US would face in combat that can beat the F-15C, F-16C, or F/A-18E is the Su-27 and its derivatives. I personally feel that the F/A-18E and the F-15C (if it were to be given avionics upgrades) are pretty much on an equal plain with the Su-27...that kind of makes the F-22 one really expensive item that isn't totally needed.

So, I personally see the F-22 being put on hold or purchased in very small numbers, with the F-15 and F-16 continuing to be the current front line fighters until potential enemies get ahold of aircraft along the likes of the Su-37.
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RE: F-22

Tue May 08, 2001 6:25 am

>Flyf15: "the DoD/Government doesn't have enough money for both the F-22 and JSF"

Of the F-22 there are already more than just prototypes and it's already ordered by the USAF. But the JSF, or rather the X-32 and the X-35 are just technology demonstrators, not prototypes.

BTW, I agree that the F-22 will probably have no export successes.

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RE: F-22

Tue May 08, 2001 7:01 am

I don't think the F-22 or the JSF will be cancelled. A lot of money was put into the F-22 program in the last 18 or so years, it's too expensive to cancel. Another reason why the F-22 will not be cancelled is the fact it is already in advanced testing. The amount of F-22's to be purchased as of now is about one third of the original estimate.
The JSF is supposed to replace the USAF F-16's, the Navy's F-18's, and the Marines' F-18's, if the project is cancelled, all those aircraft will have no 5th generation fighter to be replaced with.

F-22 export: you have to remember that Israel doesn't pay for the aircraft and weapons it buys from the US. I am almost sure that Israel will have an F-22 squadron in a few years. Another country that is likely to get F-22's is South Korea. The more F-22's built, the cheaper each aircraft, including those sold to the USAF, so the US will be interested in selling some F-22s to foreign countries.

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RE: F-22

Tue May 08, 2001 7:15 am

Both will do well. The JSF is in no way threatning anything right now because it is so new. The Navy's F/A-18Es are the best aircraft I have ever seen. They will have the F-14s out of service within 10 years. 10 years is projected, but at least 15 is expected. The JSF will, in my opinion, become a counterpart with the super hornet. They are both excellent planes and have very advanced avionics. The F-22 will also see a lot of flight time before it is threatened. Since I wish to be a USN pilot, I am more focused on the USN side, so if I got something wrong facts wise, i am sorry.
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RE: F-22

Thu May 10, 2001 9:07 am

I belive that the A,B,C, and D class F - 15's will eventually fade away, but not for another 15 or 20 years.
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RE: F-22

Sat May 12, 2001 10:54 pm

Thanks for all the info....The F22 is still being developed and undergoing extreme testing so I dont believe that the program will be canceled at all. My cousin worked on the F22 at Lockheed Martin. Tons of money, energy, and time put into the development of this aircraft and I think that it will be a great advantage for the military. The F15 is much older and less advanced and I think that its years are numbered.

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