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What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Fri May 11, 2001 11:21 pm

Ok, this may be crossing the line into maritime -- but it's still aviation related: What is the best aircraft carrier ever?

My vote: the original USS Yorktown, CV-5
 
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Fri May 11, 2001 11:59 pm

USS. ENTERPRISE  Big thumbs up
 
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Sat May 12, 2001 12:12 am

My choice is Yorktown's sister. The Enterprise...CVA-6.
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Sat May 12, 2001 11:07 am

The USS Forrestal, CVA-59. Simply because it was the world's first modern aircraft carrier designed to accomadate jet aircraft with its angled main deck. Also this was the ship where a C-130 Hercules was test flown from.

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Sat May 12, 2001 7:44 pm

I was always partial to the USS. Midway.
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Sat May 12, 2001 9:28 pm

Any of the new CVN Nimitz class carriers. They are the most powerful and able ship the navy has!
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Thu May 25, 2006 6:17 am

USS Nimitz CVN-68
USS John F. Kennedy CV-67
USS Enterprise CVN-65
USS Harry S. Truman CVN-75

PS: I do not care if they are an airfield that is as small as a parking structure, they are among the most impressive ship in the world.
 
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Thu May 25, 2006 7:00 am

The best aircraft carrier to this point is the USS Ronald Reagan. It will be replaced as the best when the next new carrier, the USS George H.W. Bush.
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Thu May 25, 2006 7:05 am

USS Langley CV-1

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Thu May 25, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
My choice is Yorktown's sister. The Enterprise...CVA-6.

At one time the only operational U.S. carrier in the Pacific theater of operations during WWII. Dive bombers from the ENTERPRISE figured prominently during the Battle of Midway, which is probably the most decisive east-west confrontation at sea since the Battle of Lepanto. She has my vote!
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Thu May 25, 2006 11:11 am

Quoting Braniff747 (Thread starter):
Ok, this may be crossing the line into maritime -- but it's still aviation related: What is the best aircraft carrier ever?

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Thu May 25, 2006 11:42 am

The first and only of her class.

The Big "E" . . . .

A class act . . . .

http://www.enterprise.navy.mil/About%20the%20Big%20E.htm
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Thu May 25, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting Gunfighter 6 (Reply 1):
USS. ENTERPRISE



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
My choice is Yorktown's sister. The Enterprise...CVA-6.
The most decorated US warship of WWII. Regards.



Quoting Lumberton (Reply 9):
At one time the only operational U.S. carrier in the Pacific theater of operations during WWII. Dive bombers from the ENTERPRISE figured prominently during the Battle of Midway, which is probably the most decisive east-west confrontation at sea since the Battle of Lepanto. She has my vote!

I have to go with this also. She wasn't called the Lucky "E" for nothing.

My boat, though, will always be the "Indy" CV-62 considering I did 3 1/2 years on her out of Yokosuka, Japan.  Big grin
 
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Fri May 26, 2006 11:07 pm

My vote would be the USS Saratoga, CV-3

But, any one of the USN WWII CVs are a good choice (before the Essex class):
Lexington
Sartoga
Enterprize
Hornet
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Yorktown
 
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Sat May 27, 2006 2:33 am

The first 'proper' flat-top, though a conversion-HMS Argus.

First totally dedicated carrier, not a conversion of another warship, HMS Ark Royal (the third one, launched in 1937. With an impressive WW2 combat record. Vital in the Mediterrean in 1940/1, detatched to join the chase for the Bismark, her Swordfish sealing the Battleship's fate by a torpedo hit on her rudder, rendering the ship unable to steer-the end of the Battleship era writ large. Finally sunk by a U-Boat after a long period of almost non stop combat).
 
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Sat May 27, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 14):
First totally dedicated carrier, not a conversion of another warship, HMS Ark Royal

Well, at least she isn't HMS Glorious.........
 
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Sat May 27, 2006 3:50 pm

Big E
Aircraft Carrier names are getting a bit rediculous and PC these days... G. Bush?? are you friggin kidding me??! only coz his son is the current president!
Ronald Regan yes.... he had the biggest US military buildup for a good purpose of bringing the downfall of the USSR.
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Sat May 27, 2006 8:34 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
Aircraft Carrier names are getting a bit rediculous and PC these days... G. Bush?? are you friggin kidding me??! only coz his son is the current president!

The George H.W. Bush was named during the Clinton Administration. It was President Clinton's Sec. of the Navy who picked the name. President George H.W. Bush (AKA Bush 41) was a USN Devistator Pilot during WWII, and was shot down over the Island of Chi Chi Jima, while on a bombing mission. IIRC, he flew from the USS Lexington, CV-16 (the second CV named Lexington), sometimes referred to, by the IJN as the "Blue Ghost".
 
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Sun May 28, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
President George H.W. Bush (AKA Bush 41) was a USN Devistator Pilot during WWII, and was shot down over the Island of Chi Chi Jima, while on a bombing mission. IIRC, he flew from the USS Lexington, CV-16 (the second CV named Lexington), sometimes referred to, by the IJN as the "Blue Ghost".

I thought he flew the TBD/M Avenger?
 
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Sun May 28, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting Visakow (Reply 18):
I thought he flew the TBD/M Avenger?

Now that you mention it, it could very well have been an Avenger.
 
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Sun May 28, 2006 1:08 am

Quoting Visakow (Reply 18):
I thought he flew the TBD/M Avenger?

Yes it was an Avenger. The Devastator was removed from frontline service in 1943. A foot note, the Devestator was the aircraft flown by Lt. George Gay sole surviovor of VT-8 in the Battle of Midway.
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Sun May 28, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
G. Bush?? are you friggin kidding me??! only coz his son is the current president!



Quoting Visakow (Reply 18):
I thought he flew the TBD/M Avenger?

Correct.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 20):
The Devastator was removed from frontline service in 1943.

That was because they all got shot down at Midway....that was when the US Navy finally figured out that the airplane sucked.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
and was shot down over the Island of Chi Chi Jima,

I highly recommend the book "Flyboys" which tells the story of the various US crews that where shot down over the island and how the commander of the japanese garrison there exectured several crews and then practiced cannabalism on them.

He ended up being executed for war crimes after the war.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
Aircraft Carrier names are getting a bit rediculous and PC these days... G. Bush?? are you friggin kidding me??! only coz his son is the current president!
Ronald Regan yes.... he had the biggest US military buildup for a good purpose of bringing the downfall of the USSR.

Well in addition to the US George H Bush being a carrier for a WWII carrier pilot, I would also point out that the USS Jimmy Carter is a nuclear submarine. Mr Peanut was an XO on the USS Seawolf the second US Nuclear Sub in the 50's.
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Sun May 28, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
The George H.W. Bush was named during the Clinton Administration. It was President Clinton's Sec. of the Navy who picked the name.

Not so. She was ordered under Clinton, but wasn't named until December '02. Nonetheless, IMO it's a fitting name given Bush's past career as a naval aviator who won the DFC.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 17):
IIRC, he flew from the USS Lexington, CV-16 (the second CV named Lexington), sometimes referred to, by the IJN as the "Blue Ghost".

Also not so - Bush was part of VT-51 aboard the USS San Jacinto (CVL-30).
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Sun May 28, 2006 12:30 pm

I guess I got the letters right? I know GM produced one model and Grumman produced the other? Could look it up but my bandwith sucks. Thanks "Y" Comm.

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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Mon May 29, 2006 9:49 am

Honorable mention to the WW2 HMS Illustrious, like Ark Royal, it had almost non stop action in the Mediterrean, mostly on convoy escort sustaining the vital base at Malta-from there air power would seriously affect Rommel's Afrika Korps supply chain.
Badly damaged, it had a repair/turnaround like the USN Carrier at Midway-USS Yorktown?

It was from Illustrious that Swordfish made a daring night attack on the Italian fleet at port in Taranto, effectively taking the core of the Italian Navy's capital ships out of the fight.
This attack, in November 1940, was seen by a Japanese Naval Attache in Taranto itself, you can work out what influence it would have on them.
Italy, regarded Taranto as protected from enemy aircraft using torpedos.

The last RN survivor of the Taranto attack, has recently passed away.
He was an informative contributer to a documentry about the RN in WW2, in 2003.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...d=&xml=/news/2006/05/26/db2601.xml
 
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Wed May 31, 2006 9:47 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 16):
Aircraft Carrier names are getting a bit rediculous and PC these days... G. Bush?? are you friggin kidding me??! only coz his son is the current president!

To add to what the others said about Bush Sr, he was shot down, parachuted into enemy waters, and was rescued by a submarine before he became shark food. There is a signal corps film of the rescue that can be seen on most documentaries about his type of plane and sub activities at that time.

Add to that his public service after the war, and it is undeniable that he deserves this honor.

As for the topic of the thread, there are a lot, but the Big E changed carrier operations more profoundly than any other ship. As for battle records, thats a judgement call, but when you say best, I am thinking of the ship itself, not the battles.

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:45 am

Greatest aircraft carrier of all time...hmmm...

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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:03 am

Quoting MrChips (Reply 26):
HMCS Bonaventure, of course!

Hurrah! I've been waiting for that. Big grin
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting MissedApproach (Reply 27):
Quoting MrChips (Reply 26):
HMCS Bonaventure, of course!

Hurrah! I've been waiting for that.

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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:38 pm

Interesting that no-one has mentioned the smaller but absolutely vital Escort, or 'Jeep', carriers of WW2. These were the Long Island, Bogue/Prince William, Sangamon, Casablanca, and Commencement Bay classes.

Up to and including the Casablancas these Escort Carriers were based upon merchant ship hulls and could be constructed in as little as 3.5 months! They were absolutely vital in providing essential air cover in a multitude of roles and locations and many were lost in action during WW2. In fact a few saw service in the Korean War and a couple even acted in support roles during the Vietnam War. Our Royal Navy operated quite a large number as well.

So the best ever? I nominate the USS Cabot CVL-28, an Independence Class 'Light Aircraft Carrier' (not an Escort) commissioned in 1943. She saw active service during WW2 including being attacked by Kamikaze aircraft, then became a Naval Air Reserve training carrier before being put in reserve. She is better known to many as the Dédalo with the Spanish Navy, first as a helicopter carrier, then converted to operate the Harrier 'jump jet'. Sadly she was scrapped in 2002. Nearly 60 years is good going.

My personal fave is the HMS Victorious R38. She was a British WW2 carrier reconstructed as an attack carrier in the 50's. I remember standing on her deck at Portsmouth in 1965 when I was just seven years old - I could not believe that such a large ship was possible!

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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:00 am

Ghostbase, fascinating you getting on the Victorious.
What a huge refit that was, made longer, wider, capable of taking aircraft like the Buccaneer, Scimitar, Sea Vixen, much larger than anything she was originally built for.
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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:08 am

¿How about Latin American carriers? My favourite is the Brazilian Sao Paulo (former French Navy Foch) from which modenized A-4`s fly along with Sea Kings. Quite obsolete today but still useful for patrolling Brazils huge costline. They also operate an older ex-RN carrier (Hermes class) renamed Minas Gerais. I don`t know if she is still in service.
Another Latin carrier was the Argentinian 25 de Mayo, another ex-Hermes Class bought from the Netherlands in the 60`s. She flew Super Etendards and A-4`s from her deck but saw no action in the Falklands.
Since the economy worsened in the 80`s the 25 de Mayo was anchored in Buenos Aires until she was sadly scrapped in the 90`s after several attempts to save her.

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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Britmex (Reply 31):
Quite obsolete today but still useful for patrolling Brazils huge costline.

I wouldn't say that.

The carrier isn't the weapons system the planes are.

And the A-4 can still hold it's own quite effectively. I would say that comparing it to the relatively modern AMX for example, I'd rather have the A-4.
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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:25 am

I know both Brazilian and Argentinian A-4`s were brought up to modern standards. My only concern may be that the airframes could be tired. Anyway, I could be wrong.

Correction, both "Minas Gerais" and "25 de Mayo" were ex HMS Colossus class not "Hermes". That one went to India as the "Viraat".

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RE: What Is The Best Aircraft Carrier Ever?

Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:46 am

Have to go with the USS Bennington CVA-20 as I served on her!

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