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Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 11, 2001 11:03 am

Ok guy's..an old chestnut I suppose, but does Aurora exist? Is 'Area 51' still active? What is the next F-117 going to be?

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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 11, 2001 12:27 pm

1) Yes but not what you think it is.
2) Yes but not waht you think it is.
3) F-22 or F-23.

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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 11, 2001 8:36 pm

Aurora is funding for B-2 purchase
A51 does exist. It is just another airfield in the Nevada dessert
F-117 replacement will probably be an unmanned version of what is now being develloped as JSF. There is a lot of pressure to kill JSF.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 11, 2001 10:09 pm

sorry dude, but before you refuel "special" planes, you have to sign a form saying that you won't reveal anything about it. and no picture taking either.

it's an easy choice between taking a picture and at the very least having your clearance revoked and getting kicked out of the air force, at the very worst going to prison and living the rest of your life with a federal prosecuted felony on your record, or not taking a picture and living the good life.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Mon Aug 13, 2001 1:28 am

aurora lives it's not possible that the us can't make military plane faster than 2.5 machs
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Mon Aug 13, 2001 6:14 am

nice artist rendition of a model of NASP painted black superimposed on a photo of the Nevada desert.
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RE: Fireblade

Mon Aug 13, 2001 11:25 am

Came right off a Revell model box didn't it. The Aurora is not a real airplane, sort of. Do a little searching and you can find a picture of a real Aurora. You might be surprised at what you find though.
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RE: Fireblade

Tue Aug 14, 2001 1:16 am

well i like this model but i would be greatfull if you post a link with the picture of "real" aurora
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Tue Aug 14, 2001 4:31 am

Deuce50boom

And there was me, thinking you tanker guys really enjoyed living in the fast lane taking chances and stuff.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I'm not sure if flying around strapped to umpteen gallons of avgas is living the good life or not, but each to their own.  Acting devilish
BTW, I met a tanker guy at a UK airshow a few years ago and he was wearing a patch (unofficial?) with YCKAWTG (You can't Kick Ass Without Tanker Gas) on it. I thought it was pretty cool and tried to buy it off him. Any ideas were I can get one from??

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RE: Fireblade

Tue Aug 14, 2001 12:41 pm

Sorry I can't provide a link but there is an aircraft named Aurora that was built. Just remember, I wrote that is will not be what you expect. Hint : RCAF
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Tue Aug 14, 2001 2:49 pm

Well known fact, Piedmont. I think there are others as well. But given the rest of the question, the logical reasoning was that the poster was inquiring into the USAF Aurora budget item which was a cover for B-2 funding.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 15, 2001 1:00 am

dude, flying on a tanker is awesome. you got receivers to refuel, cargo to carry, female passengers to bring back to the boom pod. it's the good life. and every time a fighter guy says that we're fat dumb and happy, i just remind him that he's the one who has to piss in a tube. and that we can get up and stretch and enjoy a nice hot meal cooked in our ovens. they shutup pretty quick.

regarding the patch. in amc (air mobility circus) morale patches aren't supposed to be worn. but just about every boom i know (don't know about loads) wears one at one time or another. apparently the powers at be think that morale should be issued, and in this case not issued. best way to get one is to ask the guy in the bag. or go to a patch shop and have them make it. most guys i know get there's in korea or okinawa.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:48 am

Anyone who thinks that the USAF would retire the SR-71 fleet without having a proven aircraft that's better & faster to replace it with is obviously living in fantasyland. I'm also confident that NASA has technology that can go to the moon and back before lunch and have had it for many years, but getting them to admit it is another story.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 15, 2001 11:39 am

Very true. I knew what the question meant. The fact is that in the context used in the question, no, Aurora does not exist as an aircraft. The answer has been given as to what Aurora was.
As for something to replace the SR-71. Oh yeah! It exists. I have no idea what it is though. I have seen very, very strange light patterns over the desert for years now. For those many of you who have never seen a satellite pass overhead, it is a very unmistakable sight. A dot of light from horizon to horizon in 30 seconds or so. Now imagine that dot of light stopping halfway across, and several seconds later being met by two other dots with navigation lights. Hmm.... I mentioned this to a buddy who is a retired Air Force intelligence Colonel and he just smiled. Whether this meant I saw something real or, he thought I was crazy, I don't know. He can never answer though.

As for area 51, it really is nothing more than a very secure flight test base.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 15, 2001 3:01 pm

Mark. The USAF can only fly so many aircraft. When budgets get tight they will keep those that the customer likes best (being Capitol Hill), which are the big bombers and the sleek jetfighters.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:16 pm

What most people think is Area 51 is actually a base near by Groom Lake, Nevada. The place has been shutdown since 1996 due to intense radiation fallout over the decades of nuclear waste or testing from before, or that's what they say. I think the movie ID4 created such a breach of security that it could not be sealed – the base that does not exist got popular!  Smile

Supposedly it moved 200mi-west of near White Sands and that the "Aurora" (or Senior Citizen or TRW-583) was the last program there, supposedly, who knows.

Don't think that our government wont lies to you about covert operations; it's their job. They learned from the Oxcart (blackbird aircrafts) program and the Nighthawk, don't be gullible and never stop asking. No one will acknowledge its existence until long after its retirement (c.2035+); sort of like that uglyass plane "Tacit Blue."  Laugh out loud
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RE: Lehpron

Wed Aug 15, 2001 5:37 pm

dude, just reading a popular mechanics article from a few years ago doesn't make you an expert on area 51. and contrary to the commercial, neither does staying at a holiday inn express the night before. the truth is you have no idea of what goes on there or any other sensitive installation like it. so don't be preaching about something you don't know.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 12:23 am

"so don't be preaching about something you don't know. "

Does this mean the thread is now officially closed? I don't believe I have ever met anyone who knows anything for sure about the black prgrammes, bases and budgets. If someone does happen to know anything, they sure as hell didn't tell me, nor anyone else I know.

If you are an insider, or know an insider, please set us strait and reveal all you know. I know you won't reveal anything (insider or not) so till then, it is fun speculating.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 2:16 am

look. it's one thing to speculate about the planes that are being tested, and stuff like that. i object to those who say rumors as if they were a proven fact. like saying the base was closed. as if he knows. and as far as independance day. what does a movie got to do with it? most of america knew about the place long before that movie ever came out. so will smith driving into the hollywood version of it wasn't like a wakeup call to america or anything. if i'm not making sense, it was a long day today. game on
 
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RE: Duce50boom

Thu Aug 16, 2001 10:37 am

I believe it is not active, is that better for you? I read that article too, I went out there a while back and nobody arrested me for trespassing. Though I didn't go that far, I didn't see the base itself.

"and as far as independance day. what does a movie got to do with it? most of america knew about the place long before that movie ever came out."

From the 70's until the incident with the former Area 51 employee in 1989, most Americans just didn't care. ID4 simply highlighted and popularized Area 51; it was probably coincidence that the "action" happened to fade out. Remember this base does not officially exist so they don't have to adhere to laws and regulations, I'm sure it was closed because of radiation (they tested the nukes nearby for years.)

I might not know everything but that doesn't mean I spread rumors as if they were proven fact. If you don't buy it, fine, go research it yourself. I'm just giving my reply to your topic, I'm a fan of Aurora not Area 51, a'ight?

Peace out dude,

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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 2:27 pm

Groom Lake was never officially opened except for a short period when the F-117s were stationed there. Therefore it is pointless to say it is closed.

Area51 is not a base at all, it is just a patch of desert in which Groom Lake is located.
There are lots of AreaXX out there, they are part of the USAF training facilities in the Nevada dessert, headquartered in the vicinity of Las Vegas.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 5:31 pm

Lehpron- it's cool dude.

on a different note. area 51 was never officially opened. at anytime. the us govt acknowledged the existence of a test facility there in 97 or 98. but that was it. it's been a secret facility since it was first built in the 1950's. also, except for testing the f-117's were never stationed there. the active f-117 squadrons were stationed at the tonopah test range in nevada, until they were declassified and moved to holloman in the early 90's.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 8:40 pm

ah, yes. Got the two mixed up again  Smile
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Thu Aug 16, 2001 9:22 pm

They probably want us to belive that its closed when in fact it isin't. Reverse psychology or something. I dont think they would be stupid enough to test nukes nearby withour realizing the effects the radiation might have. The Janet 737's still fly out of LAX, ferrieng workers to the base.


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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 12:07 am

i don't know. i think that the radiation might have had something to do with why the base had so much appeal. i mean how many spotters would willingly go into an area where nukes had been recently tested? so maybe that was part of the reason they chose to build there. that and a dry lake bed is a perfect runway.

plus, i wouldn't count out the govt from doing dumb things. they're really not as smart as alot of people think.

btw, do the janet flights still go out of las vegas as well?
 
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RE: Cyka

Fri Aug 17, 2001 4:00 am

If the Janet crafts are still in operation from either Vagas or L.A., then the area is still active in a sence, but what kind of activity? I haven't heard much in terms of aircraft or "ships" flying in and out of the area for the past few years.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Fri Aug 17, 2001 6:46 pm

Just to remind you that the last above-ground nuclear test at the Nevada testsite is over 40 years ago.
If there were increased levels of radiation due to nuclear testing in the area, those levels will have long since dropped to normal.
That is of course, if you are not into conspiracy theories and believe the Evil Them still explode nukes over cities just to see what happens and then somehow magically make the world believe nothing ever happened...
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RE: Jwenting

Sat Aug 18, 2001 8:28 am

"If there were increased levels of radiation due to nuclear testing in the area, those levels will have long since dropped to normal"

Let me remind you that the Uranium and Plutonium used in those tests had half-lives of over a billion years! I seriously doubt that the levels of radiation would drop to normal in a mere 40 years.

Besides, they also did underground testing and radiation doesn't stick to the ground, it floats too. That's how the world found out about Chernobyl, it was the wind that carried the radiation north a few hundred miles (into Poland?) and the Russian kept quiet about it.

But back to topic, Aurora, or a platform that fills the same objective, exists and is currently in operation -- that's what I believe.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 18, 2001 4:48 pm

Please reread your nuclear physics...
The radiation levels from and Pu and U released during above-ground explosions are not harmfull. What causes harmfull radiation levels are the shortlived components and those will have been reduced to background levels or nearly so long ago.
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Sat Aug 25, 2001 3:42 am

So where does the USAF keep the "aquired" Russian aircraft supposedly used for testing, air combat training, etc. I thought I read somewhere that a USAF General bought it in a Mig-23 out in the Nevada desert somewhere.
 
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RE: Is Aurora Out There?

Wed Aug 29, 2001 11:20 am

I've only known the JANET flights to operate out of McCarran-Las Vegas, but I've haven't been able to get a ticket yet.  Big grin

A good source of Area 51 info is http://www.dreamlandresort.com

read the stories on this web-page and then determine if there is something to protect.

The place is pretty secure by a manned security agency for being 'under-used'...a 12foot high barbed wire fence and security cameras would do the trick, but the posted sign's authorizing 'Deadly Force" if caught trespassing seems a bit over-board to protect someone from Nuclear waste, etc.....,

I have a tendency to believe the guy on the Oil Rig in the north sea who is also a plane spotter and some type of member of the 'Home-Guard'..Civil Aviation type of guy, who spotted the large delta wing behind the KC-10 Extender accompianed by 2-3 other normal Air Force type fighters.............similiar to the guy who got the grainey photo of the F-117 over Carmel, California-USA one day, and the photo was published in one the the Popular Mechanic type magazines...Ooooops!

Stuff is out there..and the Good Ole US Gov't won't tell us anything until they feel it's necessary.


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