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Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:31 am

who are the best: short range, middle range and long range missiles?
 
LY744
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:45 am

Short range: Python 4 (used with HMS)

Medium range: AIM-120

Long range: ?


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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:47 am

Well i don't know much about the missiles but i think that python 4 is the best short range missile
http://www.propro.ru/flankers/htm/missiles.htm
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 4:53 am

What about phoenix ?
untill russian put triumfs on their a/c S
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 5:12 am

Python 4 for short range, R-77 foi Medium range. Israeli Derby a close second!
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 6:24 am

What about sidewinder short range:aim-120 middle range, phoenix long range ???????????
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 6:26 am

I don´t know about the AIM-9X (not yet operational?), but the Python 4 beats the current Sidewinder series by a safe margin.
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 6:31 am

hey Fire, check the rockets caried by MiG-31 and tell those guys all about it (hint - MiG-31 carries the long range missales that have no annologies in the world). i'll correct you if something, but i just dont feel like going to another word-war on chat!
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James

Mon Oct 08, 2001 6:33 am

I think you should check this topic
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/4422/
Alex & crew has a lot of thing to say about
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Israel?

Mon Oct 08, 2001 11:09 am

The AIM-9L/M are deffinetely not as good as the AA-11 and the Python 4. The AIM-9L/M is a 3rd generation short range AA, the AA-11 and the Python 4 are 4th generation.
This is one of the main differences between the two generations:


This particular illustration is a comparison of the Python 4 and a typical 3rd generation short range AA missile, like the AIM-9L/M, or the Python 3. The AA-11's angle of engagement is somewhat smaller than that of the Python 4, but is still considerably better than the AIM-9's.

I don't know what the status of the AIM-9X is.

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 1:07 am

How about the IRIS-T?
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:01 am

HEY LY744 and all others-

I am not preety sure, because true spec. about missiles (missales) are TOP SECRET (like most other weapons).
BUT I can tell you that (from all my military sources and connections) THAT R-73 (NATO codename "archer#) is the best Short Range Missile. It's privileges over other missiles are TVC, advanced propulsion, well maneuvring, advanced electronics and IR searcher and is compatibile with HMS.

please reply me at jolandic@hotmail.com

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:32 am

The AA-11 (R-73, Archer) is more advanced than the AIM-9 (up to the M version), the Python 4 is considered to be even more advanced (manouverable, better target acquiring range etc.). Although the Python 4 is not equipped with TVC, it uses a very advanced aerodynamic design, which makes it at least as manouverable as the Archer. In any case, when comparing the Python 4 and the most advanced version of the R-73, the R-73M2, you can see that the performances of those two missiles are very, very similar.

Here is an interesting diagram:


It compares the R-73 and the R-73M, you can see that the M version has a larger target acquiring (60 degrees off center) zone, and a longer range. The Python 4's "no-escape zone", BTW, is at least 60 degrees off center.

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 12:53 pm

Is it just me or does it seem like U.S. planes are equipped with jackschitt missiles? I don't know, but from what I've read it seems as though the U.S. is outmissiled..... as well as outgunned considering most Russian fighters are armed with 30mm cannons, as opposed to U.S. 20mm vulcans (except on the Warthog)
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:39 pm

i'm not a expert on this field but it luck like that way.
About missiles .
But us 20 mm cannons has 6000rounds per minute vs russian 30mm 3000 rndpm .Hope they nwont put tunguska cannon .
Its 30 mm and it shot 5000rpms [newer version even 6000rpms]
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2001 7:50 pm

 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 11:04 pm

SJC>SFO:

Until the AIM-9X enters service, the US indeed has an inferior short-range AA missile. They do, however, have an excellent medium range AA missile in the form of the AIM-120 AMRAAM ("Slammer"). The AMRAAM is probably the best in its class in the world today. And I agree with Fireblade on the cannon issue.

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Sun Oct 21, 2001 11:25 pm

Sure man 20mm is better for a dogfight [by my modest opinion] 30mm is better against bombers.
I mean 1 sec 100grenades gdarm cannon russian 30 -50
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 6:52 am

Fireblade-
I understand what you said in your second post, but I'm a little confused about your first. What is a "tunguska" cannon, and who's is it?

Just for a historical perspective, didn't the Mig-15 or Mig-17 carry something like a 37mm main cannon?.........(granted it wasn't armed with AA missiles.)
 
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Dan

Mon Oct 22, 2001 9:41 pm

Tunguska is a surface to air cannon first developed in 1986 modernized several times .It famous of it's great cannon 30mm 5000rounds per minute [heard that latest version could shot even 6000rpm O-:] and it has no death angles like its western oponents [they couldn't shot aircraft flying streight above them] .
For more info see :
http://www.in-arms.com/port/browse.asp?catid=240&linkid=1570
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tunguska/index.html
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Mon Oct 22, 2001 10:13 pm

I'm just so proud of my country's missiles!
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Tue Oct 23, 2001 7:29 am

Fireblade, and they were considering putting that monster on a fighter? Yeesh. Wouldn't want to be at the wrong end of that.
 
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Python 4

Tue Oct 23, 2001 8:46 pm

yea pYthon n4 is great but i still think that new archer is better because of it's TVC 3d .Man that gives a lot of advantages but as long i don't have comparation table take this as a thought.
Also about the long range missiles russian all the best just remember the mig-31 long range missiles far better than phoenix .Also i made a research and i'm pretty sure that russians could put Triumfs Air to air versions on their flankers . I thought it is vey big but flancers could handle it man they could carry 8t externally as a warload[wepons-missiles] and two Triumf long missiles is makes 3t heavy >With their 400km range there's not going to be any AWACS survived.Also even the old PHAZOTRon Zhuck could detect a/c in a 150km distance [exept maybe the f-117 B-2 or f-22] so they could put 4 short triumf range 200km weight about 3.4t so in that perimeter f-15 f-16 f-18 rafale ef-200would have no chance against it. Technology is ready waithing for the Kreml to give some money.
 
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RE: Python 4

Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:19 am

The Iranians put modified HAWKs on their F-14's, since they don't have any AIM-54 (in operational condition, anyway). I too thought that the SAM was too large for a fighter, but apparently it isn't.

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:43 am

Short triumf missile is less than 5m long that is less than r-40 missiles 6.3m but it is heavier
And a long one is something about 6-7m so i flankers could handle 6 short one[200km range fired from ground] and let say 2-4 long one [400km fired from ground].So forgath about dogfighting,AWACS,b-52 ,tornados,
Only the stealthy one has a chance to survive that hell.
But su-37 with triumfs will be manouverable as boeing-767 .
Shit i don't like that kind of fight.
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 4:47 am

Hey guys what about Python 4 for the US fighters?
I mean why should they bother to develop new sidewinder when they could forgath the pride for once and by some Pythons also i heard that India will use some of it.
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 5:09 am

The US went for the pride. They prefer to wait extra 10 (probably more) years until they can make one of their own. It is understandable, actually, as they wouldn't want to depend on another country for such an important part of their military ability, and, they are practically forced to support their own military/aerospace industry. The US already uses Israeli-developed weapons. The AGM-142 (Popeye) is an Israeli missile that is (was?) manufactured in the US by Lockheed Martin. It is used on USAF B-52's.

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:37 am

I'd be willing to bet the Secret Service used/uses Uzi's, which were invented by an Israeli Colonel.
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:05 am

The Secret Service does use Uzi's (watched a show about them couple of days ago on TV).

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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Wed Oct 24, 2001 9:45 pm

UZI is a old dated now the secret services use HECKlers
they are much better.
 
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Fireblade,LY744,Sjc>sfo

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:38 pm

Sorry to bother you but what a fuch does uzi &heckler & tunguska has with this thread?  Innocent
 
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Battleborgcube

Wed Oct 24, 2001 10:58 pm

OH really?
And what about the guy who's posting SF pictures all over the threads?
Suggestion visit non-aviation forum
 
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RE: Who Has The Best Aa Missiles Usa,ru Or Izrael?

Thu Oct 25, 2001 7:49 pm

Shoot, Stormin Norman's bodyguards in Saudi in 91 where packing old M3 Grease guns.

The .45 ACP is a much better round then the 9MM anyway.

Interesting story about the Iranians using Hawks on their tomcats. The only other example of anything simular is the conversion of Standard AA missles to the Standarm ARM which was used for a while in conjunction with the Shrike ARM. To the best of my knowledge both where replaced by the Harm.

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