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U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Sun Nov 25, 2001 12:04 am

How many a/c did the US and its allies lose in the Gulf War? Can someone give me some details (if possible) on each a/c that was lost, like when it happened, where, how it was shut down, did the crew survive, etc.? I know there were several RAF (and Italian?) Tornadoes lost, at least one USN F/A-18 (first day of war, by MiG-25PD), and some F-15E's.
Thanks in advance!

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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Sun Nov 25, 2001 1:37 am

From CNN:
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U.S. casualties: 148 battle deaths, 145 nonbattle deaths
Army: 98 battle; 105 nonbattle
Navy: 6 battle; 8 nonbattle
Marines: 24 battle; 26 nonbattle
Air Force: 20 battle; 6 nonbattle
Women killed: 15
U.S. wounded in action: 467
British casualties: 24, nine by U.S. fire
British wounded in action: 10
French casualties: 2
French wounded in action: 25 (estimated)
Allied Arab casualties: 39
Allied combat air sorties flown: More than 116,000
Coalition aircraft losses: 75 (63 U.S., 12 Allied)
Fixed wing: 37 combat, 15 noncombat (U.S. losses -- 28 combat, 12 noncombat; no U.S. losses in air-to-air engagements)
Helicopters: 5 combat, 18 noncombat (all U.S.)

Iraq

Estimated Iraqi Losses: (Reported by U.S. Central Command, March 7, 1991)
36 fixed-wing aircraft in air-to-air engagements
6 helicopters in air-to-air engagements
68 fixed- and 13 rotary-wing aircraft destroyed on the ground
137 Iraqi aircraft flown to Iran
3,700 of 4,280 battle tanks
2,400 of 2,870 assorted other armored vehicles
2,600 of 3,110 assorted artillery pieces
19 naval ships sunk, 6 damaged
42 divisions made combat-ineffective
Enemy prisoners of war captured: U.S. forces released 71,204 to Saudi control.
 
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:12 am

No f-15 were lost in the gulf war.
 
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 7:16 am

For a better Idea of the Gulf war read Tom Clancy's book Every Man a Tiger, it was written with Chuck Horner (CENTAF of Desert Storm), it will give you ideas of the losses that were taken during desert storm. Some of the most intresting was the loss of a F-111 due to Bagdad Billy.
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 12:26 pm

who (or what) was Bagdad Billy
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 1:05 pm

Nothing, at least on radar, or from the prespective of an eagle pilot that was overhead the time one was lost due to it.

The pilots complain of a spot light that is constantly behind them and they try to avoid it, the F-111 guys that say it think its a fighter, the only problem is that in all cases the aircraft was flying low level but within E-3 range with F-15s flying cover not far away. That all claim to have nothing on radar.

In the case of the crashed one the F-15 was within visual range and all he say was the F-111 trying to dodge nothing than a Controled Flight Into Terrian.
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 4:52 pm


This is done by memory so it might not be 100% correct (feel free to correct):

Two F-15E's were lost to ground fire during desert storm (Triple A in one case).

Likewise four A-10 were shot down over Iraq, three pilots ejected and was taken as POWs while the fourth was killed in the crash. Two more A-10s were destroyed during emergency landing during which one pilot was killed. If I remember correct all four A-10s were shot dwon by SAM missiles.

The British lost 6 Tornado's. 1 during a JP233 delivery (after the bombs had been dropped). Can't remeber the others, although one was lost during a loft-bombing and one during a high-altitude laser bombing.

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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 6:00 pm

You're correct, I found this:

The US had five F-15C and two F-15E squadrons when the (air)war against Iraq began. The F-15C's scored 32 aerial kills, of a total of 41 victories. Twenty-four of these kills were achieved with the Sparrow missile, eight by AIM-9 sidewinders. One F-15E scored an aerial kill by dropping a laser-guided bomb on an airborne Iraqi helicopter. No F-15C/D Eagle fighters were lost during Desert Shield / Storm, two F-15E Strike Eagles were lost in action.
 
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Mon Nov 26, 2001 8:09 pm

The gulf war was such a sweeping victory.... I can't help but think its been sort of detrimental to U.S. military capabilities now though, half the U.S. population expects us to fight wars from the air where only a tiny percentage of americans are put at risk. It really limits what the armed forces can do within safe means of public opinion.
 
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Tue Nov 27, 2001 4:26 am

We also lost one AC-130 in Desert Storm, it was ordered just minutes before to return to base, but it refused and said that even though it was getting light out they had too many targets. Its was downed by the Soviet version of the Stinger missile.

An A-10 got the first air to air victory, taking out an Iraqi helicopter with its main gun.

The F-15E taking out the helo was the last recorded actaul air to air kill of the war. There was a kill recorded that said a F-15 shot down a trainer that was being used to bomb the Iraqi civvy uprising, but the actual story was that pilot bailed out when they say the F-15 and they gave it to him anyway.
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:25 am

"Its was downed by the Soviet version of the Stinger missile."

No such thing. Probably an SA-16.

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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Tue Nov 27, 2001 5:26 am

They know it had to have been carried by a person becasue the AC-130 took out serval portable SAM sites when it came, that was one of its priorities in fact.
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Tue Nov 27, 2001 6:14 am

The AMI (Italian Air Force) lost a Tornado during a bombing mission in the south of Iraq and the crew was captured by the enemy.

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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Wed Nov 28, 2001 6:52 am

One thing I can recall (after talking to one of the UK vets involved in the incident), is that a US a/c blew up a UK army Warrior.
This is poor targeting, the Warrior dos not look like anything Saddam had in his inventory, and resembels the M2 bradley as well...........  Big grin
 
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RE: U.S./Allies Losses In Desert Storm

Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:31 pm

The incident that Contact_tower is refering to was the blue on blue attack by a USAF A-10 'Warthog' on 2 Warrior IFVs of the 4th Armoured Brigade killing 9 British troops.

A total of 47 British personnel were killed along with 7 RAF Tornado IDSs which were shot down.The highest rank killed was Wing Commander T.N.C Elsdon of the RAF.There were 11 British POWs including 7 RAF personnel and 4 memebers of the famous SAS Bravo Two Zero patrol.2 RAF pilots,
Flt Lt John Peters and Flt Lt John Nichol were paraded on CNN by the Iraqis.You can read about their experience in the books,Bravo Two Zero and Tornado Down.

There were 2 USMC aviators held the the Iraqis,Maj Joseph Small and Capt Russell Sanborn.Both were shot down by SAMs.Russels Sanborns search and rescue mission was also shot down by a SAM.All onboard the Blackhawk were killed except Medic Sgt Troy Dunlap who was ironically held in the same prison as Sanborn.

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