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SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 4:36 pm

I think it's a shame that they terminated this A/C's service.
To see that beauty fly is really something.
Anyone who knows where they rest, or have they been scrapped?
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 6:39 pm

Hi

The Blackbirds that suvived are at various places.

The link below is for www.fas.org's SR-71 page, where there is a list of what happened to all A-12/SR-71's

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/sr-71.htm

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 9:36 pm

Thanks, but the link doesn't work!?
Maybe just some error now. I try later.
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:28 pm

There is one at the Boeing Field in the museum. Its non flying though and had probably been gutted, just the shell is left.
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 10:58 pm

Several are in Museums. SAC museum has one, USAF museum too.
A&S probably, I think I saw one at Duxford. Intrepid in New York has had an A-12 for a long time.
NASA has 2 or 3, don't know their current status (at least one was used during the X-33 program for engine trials).
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:17 pm

Anyone who knows about the one that was stationed at UK. They flew it back to US, or did it stay in the UK?
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:21 pm


Duxford has an SR-71 on display
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 03, 2001 11:31 pm

Oh...Duxford is UK! Sorry!
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 5:00 am

I was actually in Seattle over the weekend and I went to Boeing Field where they have the museum. They have a complete SR71 that you can walk around with the engine actually on the ground so you can look at it. They also have another SR71 that crashed a while back so they cut the fuselage and they allow you to actually sit inside a real SR71. You should definetely go if you have the chance.
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 6:20 am

What's up with fas.org??? I haven't been able to log on to the site in about a day. Have they gone under?

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:56 am

Theres one at the USS Alabama muesuem, in Mobile has one in its hanger.
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 6:14 pm

So there is no risk that they use one in airshows or anything then?!
Did never really understand how big that bird is, before I got some comparesment. It's a BIG bird!
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 6:54 pm

What a beauty!!! And what a shame!


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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 9:39 pm

It gets even bigger after flying at super-sonic speeds! Big grin

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:01 pm

My pc crashed 2 times when I tryed to enter this topic!? Anyone else had the same?
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Wed Dec 05, 2001 1:45 am

Ever been to that museum SUDDEN?
If not, book a ticket to sunny California and go there. It is worth the trip (even from cold windy AMS  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ).
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Wed Dec 05, 2001 2:32 pm

Nasa still uses 1 or 2 of them for high altitude testing of the upper atmospere. Something similar to the tr-2 they still have flying......dr
 
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Best SR-71 Web Page

Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:04 am

The SR-71 is one of my favorite AirCraft. I was actually at Dulles International Airport in 1990 when the last active duty AF one landed there after making a cost to coast speed record. Check this page out, it is great.

http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/sr-71~1.htm


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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sun Dec 09, 2001 6:18 am

I guess the USAF to save money retired their SR-71s because the older the aircraft got the more expensive it was to maintain them. Who knows what is going on with development & testing of the so-called Aurora?
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 10, 2001 12:50 pm

Aurora when into service in early 1995. Based on the elusiveness of the CIA's YF-12, we won't see any REAl pix until 2012.
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 10, 2001 6:56 pm

Never heard of that plane!!??
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 10, 2001 8:07 pm


Lehpron:
Aurora when into service in early 1995. Based on the elusiveness of the CIA's YF-12, we won't see any REAl pix until 2012.

Do you have any references to this??? A web site or book??

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Dec 10, 2001 9:18 pm

SUDDEN, you've never heard of that a/c because it probably doesn't exist.  Smile

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 1:45 am

The YF-12 was the interceptor version of the SR-71. Obviously this prgramme was never really succesful. Here is a link to a page with some more info and even some photo's of the YF-12. The difference between the YF-12 and the SR-71 is most notable at the nose section.

http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/sr-71.htm



And for the fun of it a link to some information about the Aurora. Off course the information of this page cannot always be confirmed however, there is a low quality photo of a plane which should be the Aurora. This photo is defniately real, my mom saw a plane just like it (in Holland).
Just to make one point sure, she may be Dutch, she is not using any drugs or medicines. She is as healthy as can be. So I would like to get some serious replys, and no bullshit.

http://fas.org/irp/mystery/aurora.htm
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:09 am

Hi

Well I have heard the reports about the unidentified sonic booms of the coast of California, and I do belive that the USAF have some sort of super sonic/hyper sonic aircraft flying (manned or unmanned). The picture on the fas.org page is a fake, which they also state on the page. There are also the report about the mysterius plane that crash at a RAF airfield in Scotland (can't remember the name right now).

If the plane that Petertenthije's mother saw in Holland were the Aurora or not I can't say. But if she saw it as a civilian how just passed by the airfield I doubt that it was the Aurora (lets face it - if you want a plane kept secrect you don't send it to a contry crawling with spotters). Under what conditions did she see it?? (night/day, on/off the airfield, what year??).

As I said in the beginning I belive that the USAF (or CIA) has a high speed plane they want to keep secret, and I guess we will have to wait until they are god and ready to let the public know about it. In the mean time all we can do is guess and speculate (which is also quite fun).

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:23 am

Sorry Soren, you are completely right about the photo being a hax, I did not read the article completely.

The plane flew in broad daylight over the East of the Netherlands,for the locals, near Doetinchem in De Achterhoek.
The weather was quite nice. Some clouds but not much. No rain etc. This was only a few weeks ago. Maybe the plane was flying to Afghanistan? Off course I do not know why the USAF (?) would be so stupid as to fly over the Netherlands with all its plane freaks.

She noticed the, triangular shaped, plane hovering in the air. After some seconds it flew away (quote) "with the speed of an F16". As you might have guessed, she is not an spotter, and knows little of planes.

I showed her pictures of "triangular shaped" planes such as the F-117, B-2, Mirages etc. None of these planes were what she saw. When I showed her the fas.org picture she recognised it immediatly!
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 2:37 am


Did the plane hover = "standing still in the air" and then flew of fast?? Or could it have been flying towards her (if it were far enough away it could look like it hoverd) and changed direction??

I must admitt that I find it a bit hard to belive that the USAF would fly a secret plane of the coast of Holland in bright daylight.

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 9:35 am

First off, the Aurora cannot hover, she has an MTOW of 200,000 lbs. Of course that photo is a hoax; it's very close but that is not what Aurora looks like. Her elevators stick out of her ventrals while maintaining the 75-degree delta planform.

Søren A: Remember the X-30 NASP? It was being funded mainly by the Department of Defense by about 80%. As 1994 ended they backed away, only because they had their own hypersonic military platform. It makes sence. But the operational costs for Aurora are actually higher than the Blackbird when they pulled it out of service. I guess they liked the idea of 'anywhere in the world within 3-hours'.

The CIA does a better job of keeping secrets than the USAF, that's why no one knew about the YF-12 programme until the Blackbird was withdrawn; that's 23 years after the first flight! (reference: PS0393) Aurora first flight was in 1989, add 23 and you have 2012.

(Which happens to be the end of the Aztec calender, I don't see any significane  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

Also IMHO, I think Aurora's engines could take her to a Vmax of M9.0 before she begins to melt. I have no idea where the cruise is, anywhere between M6 and M8.
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 6:02 pm


The exsitence of the A-12/SR-71 was know very early on. From http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/sr-71.htm:
The SR-71 was designed by a team of Lockheed personnel led by Clarence "Kelly" Johnson, at that time vice president of the company's Advanced Development Projects, known as the "Skunk Works." The first version, a CIA reconnaissance aircraft that first flew in April 1962 was called the A-11. The similar A-12 had a lower radar cross section. An interceptor version was developed in 1963 under the designation YF-12A. A USAF reconnaissance variant, called the SR-71, was first flown in 1964. The A-12 and SR-71 designs included leading and trailing edges made of high-temperature fiberglass-asbestos laminates which among other features contributed to their reduced radar signature. Its existence was publicly announced by President Lyndon Johnson on Feb. 29, 1964, when he announced that an A-11 had flown at sustained speeds of over 2000 mph during tests at Edwards, Calif.
Development of the SR-71s from the A-11 design, as strategic reconnaissance aircraft, began in February 1963. First flight of an SR-71 was on Dec. 22, 1964. The YF-12s were experimental long-range interceptor versions of the same airframe and were first displayed publicly at Edwards on Sept. 30, 1964.


So there was secrecy about either of them. And the USAF can keep a plane secret if they want to, the F-117 was operational for about 8 years before it was made public.

As I mentioned in another post I sure that the USAF/CIA has some sort of high-speed plane flying, and for all I care Aurora is as good a name as any other. When it comes to the looks of the plane I have no idea. It might look like the models shown on the web and it might not. Until some comes up with a good real picture of it, I don't think any of us can say what it looks like - we just have to wait.

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:58 pm

Hi soren-a,

the plane actually hovered in the sky. It was not flying towards her. The plane did not fly near the coast. It flew more land-inwards. Near the Dutch/German border (near the city of Doetinchem).

BTW Lehpron, how do you know so much about this plane that officialy does not exist.
"First off, the Aurora cannot hover, she has an MTOW of 200,000 lbs. Of course that photo is a hoax; it's very close but that is not what Aurora looks like. Her elevators stick out of her ventrals while maintaining the 75-degree delta planform."
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:41 pm

If the US Air Force was trying to keep the YF-12 a secret they did a really crappy job.

My folks ended up with a 1964 Life or Newsweek yearbook. In it it has a photo of the YF-12 prototype and mentions that Johnson has just announce the existiance of the SR-71 or RS-71 if you preferred. The short clip also mentioned that they where working on an intercepter version, or what would be termed the YF-12

It is vary easy to tell the difference between a YF-12 and a SR-71. IF you see the YF-12 the "chines" don't go all the way to the tip of the nose. This was a comprimise to accomidate the aircrafts radar. To make up for the stability lost by choping the chines off they installed two "bullets" on the rear of the aircraft, one under each engine. I have seen quite a few photos of the YF-12 that where mislabeled as being from an SR-71
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:53 pm

Petertenthije:

Well beats me what she saw - too bad she didn't have a camera  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:15 am

I agree. But even if she had a camera, than she probably would have screwed up the photo!
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Fri Dec 14, 2001 4:15 pm

I found this link on janes.com, it's from last year refering to the year before. It's a good read check it out:

http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jidr/jidr000105_01_n.shtml

If you want to know anything about military aircraft, this is a good source.

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sat Dec 15, 2001 5:34 am

Aurora, the spyplane, does not exist.
The project name was a cover for procurement funding or the first batch of B-2 bombers (before the official unveiling of that program).

I do not say there is no secret high-speed recconaiscance aircraft to replace the SR-71. I never bought the official statement that satelites had made the continuation of the SR-71 superfluous.
Satelite paths can be predicted and all but the largest things can be hidden or moved if you know when it will be there.
You cannot predict a highspeed aircraft, especially if you do not know a) where it is, b) where it can go (range...) and c) how fast it will get there (so how much time you have from possible detection of its approach).

If the aircraft is indeed a hypersonic scramjet design meant for flight in the upper athmospere (or just outside, skimming over the athmosphere, a more or less triangular shape like the fake published by FAS is logical. All research projects into such vehicles use a similar shape, something that cannot be purely coincidence.
That such a thing exists today, while none of the component technologies have yet made it into the field is far more unlikely. The design and construction of such a machine is an enormous undertaking that is hard to keep secret (especially in a relatively open society like the USA). It is an order of magnitude more difficult than the creation of the F-117 in the 1970s and '80s.
It is (in my opinion) therefore more likely that the aircraft is an offshoot of the F-117 program, which is also more or less triangular.
You could conceivably scale it up to make room for say 2 extra engines and an extra crewmember, plus a lot of extra fuel.
Remove the F-117s IR suppressant nozzles and ducted intakes and mount some variable geometry intakes and afterburning nozzles and you potentially have a supersonic stealthy aircraft ideally suited for long range clandestine missions. By flying extremely high, it would have a high groundspeed, but the heritage of the F-117 might give it reasonable handling characteristics at low speed as well.

Mind that this is all speculation... If I were involved in such a program I would be sworn to secrecy, and those not involved cannot know what is going on.
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sat Dec 15, 2001 2:49 pm

Did you even read the article, Jwenting?

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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:47 pm

Are there any that are flying today by chance?
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:00 pm

HI The SR-71A at duxford was shipped in in containers and re-assembled at the museum and is now the only one in Europe! Which makes it a real rare BLACK BIRD as the mildenhall locals used to call the machine!
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:01 am

I'm fairly certain that there is no more Blackbirds flying. Definitely not military, but uncertain whether NASA is still using theirs that were on loan from the USAF.

I've been fortunate enough to see the SR-71, the YF-12 and the D-21 drone at WPAFB in Dayton, OH... an A-12 at Mobile.. and other SR-71's at the museums at Warner Robins AFB, GA and Eglin AFB, FL.

It is truly a shame that they are no longer in service... and if their service life is over, why keep its incredible top performance numbers classified until 2021 like they are? I want to know!
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:48 pm

The airplane at the Boeing museum is not a SR-71; it is a M-21. The M-21 is basically a two seat A-12 designed to carry the D-21 drone and launch at high speeds. There were 2 M-21's built and one was lost with its crew during a launch attempt of a D-21. The drone struck the mother ship during the launch.
The Boeing airplane is the only surviving M-21 ad in that light is a very unique exhibit.
The Air Force Museum has the only surviving YF-12A and it is located across the field in the Research and Development Hangar. You have to take a bus to see it and if you don't sign up early on a busy day, the buses are usually all booked up by 11:00 or noon.
The SR-71A and the D-21 drone are located in the Kettering Cold War Gallery, which is the newest large building at the main museum site.
On the third Saturday of each month, the Air Force Museum has Family Day with programs directed towards children from toddlers to pre high school. On August 21st (next Saturday), one of the presentations will be on the SR-71 by a museum volunteer who flew the airplane.
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Aug 17, 2004 6:13 pm

NO Blackbirds are currently flying. NASA did have a couple, but they haven't flown since 1997 when the X-33 program was cancelled and have also become museum displays (one at Edwards and one at KSC apparently). They are not being operated since NASA didn't get the windfall of customers it was expecting for the aircraft to be used as hypersonic and space instrument test platforms. The last USAF operations involving the SR-71 were also in 1997 when lack of support killed the attempted revival of USAF Blackbird operations after only a few training flights.

The CORRECT chronology for the Blackbird development was A-12, YF-12 then SR-71 (M-21/D-21 being a development from the A-12 project also). The A-12 was the design built for the CIA and it was a single person direct overflight aircraft. The SR-71 in a sense actually was developed more as a direct benefactor to the A-12 while the YF-12 Interceptor was more of a parallel program. The SR-71 is different from the A-12 in that it is a two person aircraft with the back seater running the recon equipment and it isn't intended to do just direct overflights, but can take recon runs off the coast of a threat nation while cruising along at Mach 3 (although it can and has made direct overflights as needed). The SR-71 is also a USAF project instead of a CIA project.

As for the size of the plane, it is big in terms of it being a two seater, but it isn't as big as one might think. It is bigger then an F-14 or F-15, but compared to a plane like a KC-135 or a B-1, it looks rather small.
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:14 am

The Air & Space Museum in Huntsville has an A-12 parked out front.

The A-12 could fly slightly higher, slightly faster, and had a better camera than the SR-71. But since the USAF insisted on having a second crewman aboard, tradeoffs had to be made.


As for me, I think they're pretty big planes!
 
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:50 pm

I've seen 4 of these remaining SR71s in my life... here they are:

National Air & Space Museum, Washington DC
Wright Patterson AFB Museum, Dayton, OH
NASA Rocket Center, Huntsville, AL
Boeing Field, Seattle, WA
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RE: SR-71 Blackbird.

Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:02 am

One is stored at the beautiful Air Force Museum in Layton by Salt Lake City. It's there with a B-52 and many other main actors of the wars.

An other one is in Manhattan!!

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