Kiwi dave
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Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Tue Dec 11, 2001 7:38 pm

Today in the skies over New Zealand the A-4 skyhawks and Macchi's of the RNZAF bid a farewell to the New Zealand public, by flying from as far north as Auckland and as far south as Christchurch.
it was great to see and hear the Skyhawks but the sad as it was for the last time.
 
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RE: Rnzaf

Tue Dec 11, 2001 8:32 pm

Kiwi-Do you know how many 727's RNZAF operates and in what capacity? I was amazed the other day when one came in at San Diego....They spent about an hour on the ground then packed off to somewhere else....Long haul for a 727!
 
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RE: Rnzaf

Wed Dec 12, 2001 6:36 am

2 of them are operated by 40th SDQN in a combi role as well VIP our version of Air Force One sometimes.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Wed Dec 12, 2001 1:45 pm

Will the RNZAF retain any kind of search-and-rescue type aircraft, or any other "humanitarian"-types, or is everything being phased out?
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Wed Dec 12, 2001 5:21 pm

all armed aircraft are gone. Only helis and transport capability is to be retained.
I wish I were flying
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:08 pm

The P-3's are to stay and get a semi upgrade
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:30 pm

So now New Zealand has now way to defend itself!


Smart guys....Really smart  Insane
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Thu Dec 13, 2001 1:40 am

It really is quite pathetic...thakfully I got a chance to see the Skyhawks a few years ago.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:53 am

Very sad, but when the RNZAF planned to lease 28 F-16A/B's a couple of years ago it ran into political trouble right away, and set off a chain of events leading to this years absurd descision to phase out the Air Combat Wing.
Maybe if they had gone for something cheaper and more balanced like 15-20 Hawk 100/200's, sold the Skyhawks and MB339's, and used the proceeds to get some ex-US Army UH-60's and a couple of AS355 Squirrels from the civil market, to replace the Hueys and Bell 47's respectively, the whole thing could have been prevented.
But that F-16 deal looked great, who can blame them for going for it?
And perhaps Helen Clark was hell-bent on wrecking the RNZAF anyway.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:59 am

L-188 don't blame New Zealander's just blame our Goverment, they went against the New Zealand public on this one.

GDB the F-16 is the best plane to defend New Zealand.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:16 pm


This link:

http://www.berlingske.dk/artikel:fid=100016699:aid=142692

is to a dansih news papers website and is a picture of 6 A-4 during their final flight.

Regards
Søren Augustesen
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Thu Dec 13, 2001 11:26 pm

Hey you guys did vote for those yahoo's  Laugh out loud
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:14 am

True the F-16 was the better plane, my point is that if something like the equipment buy I outlined had been proposed, it could have been presented as a more 'balanced' force upgrade, in line with the tasks the highly-capable NZ forces are likely to be involved in.
Lower running costs too.
Those choppers will still need replacement.
Is the C-130J buy going ahead?
Are the P-3s going to get Harpoon missiles?
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Fri Dec 14, 2001 2:48 am

I'd hate to work in a tall building in Wellington.

Think about that one for a sec.....
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Fri Dec 14, 2001 9:41 am

About the P-3's I guess so but I'm not to sure about that.
The hawk would be cool but it lacks the range, maybe the right plane for the job could be the F/A-18E/F if the cost of them wasn't so high.
The C-130J buy may not go ahead as we might upgrade the C-130H's, I know that they are some of the oldest C-130H's in the world.
The Helicopters who knows.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Fri Dec 14, 2001 11:38 am

IMHO the RNZAF should make a bid on some Saab Griffons.

They small defense fighter seems to be the role that the Skyhawks used to have.
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Fri Dec 14, 2001 1:27 pm

Our current goverment will not get any combat aircraft as combat aircraft are to expensive this is acording to the goverment.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Mon Dec 24, 2001 7:51 am

Hi Dave..

Sad indeed..
We don't get to much news from down under here, so could you breifly tell me why all this happend ? By reading the other replies I got more or less the history..

Thanks and season greatings..

Renato "Ötzi" Salzinger

PS. Just send those nice A-4s to us...maybe the Brazilian Navy is interested (like with the A-4KUs)

"ad astra per aspera"
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Mon Dec 24, 2001 3:25 pm

L-188/Kiwi Dave

Who on earth is doing to attack New Zealand? Maybe some Niueans who are upset about lack of flights to Alofi? Maybe the New Caledonians or Fijians? Fact is, in this day and age New Zealand has no outside threat to the security of the country.

Plus any attack which may be headed for New Zealand would have to pass thru Australia first, which RAAF will take care of. You may even see the RAAF become a sort of rent-an-airforce for New Zealand.
 
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RE: Rnzaf Air Combat Force Does Final Fly Past

Mon Dec 24, 2001 5:43 pm

S.P.A.S the reason for the combat wing going is that the defence budget was overspent by the last Goverment.

I also agree that any attack made on New Zealand will have to go though Australia, but we should not have to totally relie on the RAAF to provide air cover for New Zealand troops.

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