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EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Wed Jan 30, 2002 8:39 am

I've just checked any past posts to this forum on the EF2000 but haven't found any in the past month(supprisingly!).

I'd like to have some info on the EF2000 vs. the JSF.

Not so long ago, I read in an aviation magazine that the EF2000 has 'bout 90% of the JSF capabilities (as a multi-role aircraft) at about 50% of its price.

Can anyone tell me if this is true and/or give me some more info in this subject?
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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Thu Jan 31, 2002 3:47 am

It's not easy to compare both aircrafts as the EF 2000 is mainly an interceptor similar to the F22. Reportedly, the EF 2000 comes close to the capabilities of the F22 at significantly lower costs (around 50%). The JSF on the other hand ist designed as an "afforable" air to ground attack aircraft to replace the F16.
Also, the JSF is still in its infancy. I doubt one can make serious price/performance comparsions at this moment.

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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:08 am

Thanks NoUfo.

Here's another EF2000 related question you (or anyone else) might be able to answer. Including the EF2000, there are a total of 3 European fighters (Saab Gripen & Rafale) that have all adopted the canard-wing configuration. How come none of the new generation American fighters don't have such a configuration?

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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Thu Jan 31, 2002 5:48 am

EF2000 was designed for air to air combat in the ECM/threat heavy central European enviroment, the RAF pushed for, and got, more fuel capacity for UK airdefence.
But in service it will be swing-role, with a formidable weapon load. The RAF will operate it mainly for air-to-air, but will have a couple of squadrons for air-to-ground.
JSF came out of the wreckage of the cancelled US programmes of the early 90's, A-12, NATF, MRF, designed to replace aircraft such as the A-6, F-18 F-16 and F-117. It reflects the reality of post cold war defence spending.
With new technology, it was decided to add a VSTOL version for replacement of the USMC and RAF/RN Harriers. That got the UK on board, (the high cost and limited market for a new VSTOL aircraft, plus the technical problems and limitations of previous 'advanced VSTOL' studies has been a problem since 1965, when the UK cancelled the P.1154 supersonic VSTOL aircraft).
Sounds like a dog's breakfast of a specification, but the F-16 started out as a technology demonstrator, and look how successful that's been. If it can deliver, it will be a formidable, versatile machine, and affordable enough to buy in decent numbers. But JSF is unlikely to be available before 2012 for export.
So different aircraft for different requirements, and the two aircraft will eventually fight it out in the market.
Larger services such as the RAF will have room for both.

 
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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:53 am

EF2000 is superior in air to air
EF2000 is inferior in close support
EF2000 is about equal in interdiction/strike missions against fixed targets
EF2000 costs about 3-4 times as much.
EF2000 is far more expensive to operate (twin engines, etc.). It is basically a design from the 1980s with some 1990s electronics thrown in.

The comparison you saw was EF2000 vs F-22 most likely.

Personally, I don't see it as a competitor to JSF. The EF2000 was designed to replace the Tornado F.3 in UK and Italian service, the Mirage F-1 in Spain and the F-4F Phantom in Germany. Those are all interceptors, with the Mirages and Phantoms having secondary air-ground roles.
JSF is designed to replace the F-16, AV-8B, and in part the F/A-18C.
Those are true multi-role aircraft with somewhat more emphasis on ground attack.
Completely different ballgame.
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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:48 am

As others have stated, the JSF is still in its infancy and it would be difficult to compare it to the EF2000. What I can say though is that the JSF will be a generation ahead of anything that it competes against. Most manufacturers of competitor aircraft are trying to sell theirs before the JSF is put onto the market. As for the F-22, there is NO aircraft out there that can take it. It will be the "Top Gun" of everyone.
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RE: EF2000 Vs. JSF. Need Info

Fri Feb 01, 2002 11:31 pm

Problem is, even the USAF cannot order enough F-22s. (Now down to under 400).
Hence the attraction of the JSF, though even LM won't pretend it's a air-superiority fighter.

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