hkgspotter1
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Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:59 am

Can anyone tell me why the US Military are always crashing things ??. Its seems to be every other week these days.

Choppers and bombers in the middle East, Now a chopper in the Philippines. Before that it was aircraft in the UK and Germany !!

Hot Shots ??
 
n949wp
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:32 am

Chopper missions are inherently more dangerous than others. That's the risk that comes with the business.

'949
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:33 am

American Forces Press Service WASHINGTON, Feb. 21, 2002

Twelve U.S. service members are feared dead in the crash of a CH-47
helicopter in the Philippines.

The Army chopper crashed into the sea while flying from Basilan Island to
Mactan Air Base. The crash occurred approximately 120 miles north-northeast
of the city of Zamboanga on the island of Mindanao.

There was no sign of hostile fire. The helicopter crashed at 2:30 a.m. Feb.
22 local time, approximately 30 minutes after it took off. The U.S. service
members are in the Philippines in support of the U.S. effort to train and
advise Philippine forces in their efforts against global terrorism, U.S.
Pacific Command officials in Hawaii said.

Another CH-47 that was flying with the chopper immediately searched the area
for survivors. Other U.S. aircraft are assisting in the search. Philippine
embassy officials said their forces are also searching for survivors.

Identification of the U.S. service members has not been released pending
notification of next of kin

migman Nuts
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:36 am

Let me guess another mechanical problem?? LOL...they never get shot at they are americans!
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:43 am

May their souls rest in peace.
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:45 am

Hkgspotter1, damn, it almost sounds like you are gloating. Are you happy about this?
"Shaddap you!"
 
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Attn Hkgspotter

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:50 am

hi
i have added you to my respected users list just out of intrest what freight company you work for as i work for one in the uk!!!

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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:59 am

No, I'm not HAPPY about it. I'm just asking why the yanks are always doing this ???
 
Hamfist
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Hey Hkgspotter1

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:45 pm

I guess one good reason why "the yanks are always doing this" is because we are one of the few nations that has the balls to stand up for what we believe!

Call us arrogant if you want. And sure, you could say we have misused our military capabilities in the past, but I hope you understand that the relative peace that our generation has known is due largely to the fact the men and women of this country's armed forces are willing to look the Saddam's of the world in the eye and tell him when he's getting out of hand.

So, back to your original question...aircraft losses, especially military, are the cost of big business. We fly thousands upon thousands of sorties every year in peace and combat and accidents are always gonna happen. Consider the age of many of our systems and the lesser experience of our post-drawdown pilot force and overworked crews and you can find a lot of the problems.

Now, go watch a few more planes land, snap a few more pics, have a cold drink, kiss the wife, tuck in the kids and (if you can find the time) thank your maker for putting a few "Hot Shots" out there who making a living looking out for interests and ideals bigger than their own!!!
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:58 pm

A German plane crashed last year why don't you say why do the Krauts always crash things
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:18 pm

Thank you Hamfist!!  Big thumbs up

I could not have said it better myself!
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:21 pm

We have these things happen because we don't keep them in Hangers 24/7 carfully wiping them down with diapers.

We use them and practice, practice, practice. That is one of the reasons we are so good at Kicking Ass!!! Smokin cool
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Listen Hkgspotter1

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:39 pm

Hey,

I've been reading some of your posts, and I see you have a serious problem against Boeing and America.

What's your problem? Don't you understand that the US Military runs countless numbers of exercises everyday that are risky? The crash numbers are very low when compared to how many exercises are performed.

That's why our military is more powerful by far than any other country's including YOURS, because we train so well and hard.

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And another thing, if you're going to speak the English language, speak it the RIGHT WAY.

You don't end a sentence like: "US Military Crashes !!"

The proper way: "US Military Crashes."

You end it with proper punctuation right after the last word.

It bugs me when people don't have the respect to speak proper English. If you speak it, do it right.

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So please Hkgspotter1, keep your thoughts of our country to yourself, because in reading the replies to this topic, I see you're bugging people, including me.


Regards,

NWA742

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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:46 pm

Ever consider how many helicopters/planes are in the US armed forces? No shit it seems like they crash more. That's like saying Boeing planes are unreliable because more have crashed than airbus planes.
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:52 pm

NWA742,

You can end a sentance with a !. so it should have been US military crashes!
 
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RE: NWA742

Fri Feb 22, 2002 6:28 pm

You'd better shut up and have respect for all those who are not native english speakers and do speak english. We would never expect from you or other Americans, Brits, Australians, ... that you would speak our language. Dutch in my case. It bugs me when people like you are so shortsighted when it comes to this.

BTW, He was'nt spaeken it, he was writing it.

PS, Does this belong in the military forum.
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Fri Feb 22, 2002 10:01 pm

*****

I guess one good reason why "the yanks are always doing this" is because we are one of the few nations that has the balls to stand up for what we believe!

*****

Your sick man! U'r thinking that you are the best/greatest/superior country in the world... just like Hitler did...

Stand up for what you believe in your own country, there is a lot to there too!!! Raise the prise of gassoline for example... Your killing the whole world...

BTW: Thanx for invading Europe in '44...  Laugh out loud
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:01 am

Right then, it is now obvious that things have gotten a little out of control. Your welcome for freeing Axis controlled Europe in 1944. I'll make sure to pass it on to my Grandfather. He loved sacrificing a few years of his life because certain countries couldn't behave. You forgot WW I also. How about defending it throughout the entire Cold War? Also, lets add Bosnia and Kosovo. Everybody likes to call us names until you need our help.

There have been a lot of U.S. helicopter crashes in the last few months, but as others have stated, when you fly them a lot and push a spread out force to the brink, these are the problems that will arise in either peace time or war time.
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schreiner
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:24 am

That true CX747... But still... the americans has lots of national problems... so why not taking care of that first? And also the us only paricipate if they have some sort of financial band with the country in war. Do not forget the NATO is not only US....

Okay, my last post was a bit cranky... I am sorry. And don't start about familie who died... almost my whole fam. was KIA in WWII. And certain countries who couldn't behave? What countries r u talking about btw?
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:01 am

Funny how things so frequently turn to bashing the U.S. So many Europeans love to point at the US and taunt us, "Oh, you have so many problems, why don't you fix them first." "You just think you are the best and greatest. Always showing off."

The French seem to be the ones who enjoy taunting America the most, and so I found it entertaining to travel through France recently. I spoke with people, tried to read the French papers as well as my limited French would allow, or I picked up English versions. Guess what. France, and the rest of Europe have to same problems internally that we have here. Race issues, homelessness, crime. (Just walk through a Metro station in Paris...) The French are pissy because they are cut out of the peace process in the mid-east. Yet they forget that they were major players in the area through most of the century and burned many bridges in the Arab world by doing little things like trying to seize the Suez canal in the 50's.

The reason you read about the U.S. using its might is because we have the ability to do so. Of course we do it in places that we have a financial interest in. In a perfect world that would not be the case, but we don't live in a perfect world.

Sorry, I just had to shoot my mouth off  Smile
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 4:56 am

Thank god I am not a french guy....  Laugh out loud
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2912n
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:31 am

Ehhh, the French can be fun to pick on. They have given so much to Western culture, art and science, and yet the have the biggest inferiority complexx of any nation! (Is that a Mirage I see heading my way? uh oh....)
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 5:49 am

Some reaction:

Indeed, we're making english mistakes, but I'll be interested to see some American/English or others using the three national languages we used in my country... I'm living in belgium (so French/Dutch/German... and also English...) call me when you'll be able to use as many languages as us.

Furthermore, you said that European are bashing the US, maybe that's true, but don't you think that selling guns and weapons to the whole world does not help you to gain some friends or sympathy...maybe more money, but not more friends...

You're standing up as the defender of the whole world?

Who asked you to do that?
With, e.g. your "axis of evil"... Let me laugh... why are you targeting a country like Iran when they have one men who is working to calm down the country and to democraticised it... But you've never help him... The only help he will soon have will be in the form of some B-52G and B-52H throwing him some big fat bombs over his country!

Another example, THE Commander Massoud, have warned you years ago about the situation in Afghanistan, but you do not move... because they do not have enough petrol over there...

And so on, and so on... this post will maybe be deleted, but be sure that such arrogant and imperialist behaviour are becoming every day more and more harder to accept for lots of people.

So I do not say that all the people who've died in WTC and in others places have desserved a such thing, but If you were sometimes taking care of your own problems, wouldn't 4.000 new-yorkers still be alive?

That's a question, not an affirmation.

Regards,

Sterne
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:15 am

Sterne---

I agree that English speakers should not bash anyone from another non English speaking country for grammatical errors. That is just being petty. (By the way I speak English, Spanish and Serbo Croation...)

As for other issues...The U.S. is not the only nation selling arms all over the world. Every nation that has an arms industry does it. Some of it is done with good intention, some of it with devious intentions. Too many people just point a finger at the U.S. and say we are the root cause of the problem.

As for being a guardian of the free world. Well we sort of fell into it by default. Times are changing and policies will change as time goes by. The threats are different. When I served in the Army the threat to Europe was the Soviet Union. A thin line of soldiers would have died trying to prevent the Soviets from coming across Europe. And many of those, a disproportionate number, would have been Americans.

Yes, America does have problems internally, just like every other nation in the world. Believe it or not we do try to fixx those problems. Sure, we treat some of those problems differently than Europeans do, but that is what makes it good. Everyone is different.

Just as you would want Americans to learn about Europeans, understanding your culture, traditions and values you should learn about Americans and America. Read beyond the newspapers and the idiot TV shows. Understanding each other makes things work much better.  Smile
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sat Feb 23, 2002 6:29 am

Sterne82, the B-52G's are all gone.

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pacificjourney
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 2:20 am

What an over blown arse you are ! How dare you critique other peoples English ?

Firstly, what other languages do you speak ? I mean really speak not just order beer and ask where the toilets are ?

Secondly, if you must critique others linguistic abilities at least do it in CORRECT English which you clearly hold yourself to be an expert in. Some of your errors and I quote,

" And another thing, if you're going to speak the English language, speak it the RIGHT WAY "

Never begin a setence with a preposition (and, also, so etc). I know they do so in newspapers but it is just sloppy and hinders creative expression.

" You don't end a sentence like: "US Military Crashes !!"

Your use of the word 'like' is reduncant. Do you want to make a definite staement - you don't end a sentence 'US military crashes' - or do you want to inject vagueness or questioning into what you are saying by inserting the word like ?

" It bugs me when people don't have the respect to speak proper English. If you speak it, do it right."

It is proper English, not correct English ! Proper, proper, proper !

I see your field is computers but I know almost all US Universities have required courses which include English, perhaps you should have paid more attention.

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Schreiner...and Other Whiners!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 4:03 am

Boy, has this topic ever disintegrated! Oh well, might as well throw in my last two cents...

First of all, I think it's understood that most of us on this forum are not terribly concerned about grammatical errors. I'm sure we could find another website to work on that!

Second, don't get too arrogant if you speak English in addition to your native language. Sure, I wouldn't mind learning another language, but it's not a priority for me. Most non-native English speakers only learn the language out of neccessity and not because you just had a whimsical idea to better yourself!

Now, saving the best for last:

Schreiner -- your damn right I think America is the greatest nation on the face of this earth. It would be less than patriotic for me to think anything else! Sure, my home has it's problems, but we don't let that preclude us from our global responsibilities as a society that has been so blessed.

Have we made mistakes in other parts of the world? You bet--we're human just like everybody else! Do we have individuals with less than respectable motivations? Yep...just like every other nation! But don't you ever forget this--when the chips are down and help is needed, 99% of the countries on this earth have Uncle Sam as # 1 on their speed dial. Why?? Because they know it's their best bet for assistance. I guarantee you that America has written off or forgiven more loans to third world nations than any other society has given in the first place. And I know more American blood has been spilled on foreign shores supporting those who share our ideals than any other nation could ever afford to give.

So, Schreiner, here's my suggestion for you...gather up all your nation's unwanted. Then do the same in any other nation who is willing to join you. Find a piece of land, create an unprecedented social structure, defend that life and land from countless aggressors, help rid the globe of those who would do harm, and develop that nation into a world leader. Then you can whine all you want about what you are and are not doing to help make this earth a better place for everyone!!!
 
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RE: Hamfist

Sun Feb 24, 2002 4:12 am

YOUR THE BIGGEST WHINNER OF ALL!

There is no necissity to learn English for me, next time you visit Europe learn French, German, Dutch, Italian or the language of whatever country you are visiting. Just like I do when I visit the US, UK, ...

BTW, Cut the crap about Uncle Sam, he isn't that wanted like you think he is over here.
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RE: Hamfist

Sun Feb 24, 2002 4:26 am

Uncle Sam isn't wanted until someone needs his money or his military power to bail them out.
 
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Manni

Sun Feb 24, 2002 4:53 am

Manni,

When I say English is a necessity, I don't mean that on an individual level. I fully realize that you won't cease to exist if you don't know English. What I am implying is this--so many countries around the world have adopted English as a part of their culture or educational process because they recognize the disadvantage in international commerce of not utilizing this language.

Therefore, Americans in general, do not have the same need to use an additional language because we already speak the one that's most important.

Now, Manni, I know this all sounds arrogant to you. Please try to see past that. I'm as compassionate about the welfare of others as any average person. That's part of why I elected to serve my nation and wear our uniform. But here's a quick lesson of life for you:

When you're a kid, you compare your toys to those of other kids. If they're better, you want it!

When you're a teenager, you compare your car to others. If it's nicer, you want it!

When you're an adult male, you wonder if the guy next to you is more "blessed" than you. If he is, you wished you had it.

When you're an adult female, you see another with a bigger cup size, and you go buy an upgrade.

I know these are all generalizations, but it demonstrates what I'm trying to say...when you see another nation that has many of the things you would like to have, you often want it. Again, I know that many see that as an arrogant statement. But I tend to think it's just the most basic of human nature. I truly consider myself blessed to have been born an American and I can only hope that progress leads to a time when every person can say that about their own country. But until then, don't expect me to cry for every person who carries a chip on their shoulder because my forefathers gave their all to make my home what it is today!!!!!!
 
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RE: Hamfist

Sun Feb 24, 2002 5:09 am

Nice speech!

BTW I'm from Belgium and thank God for that every day. Good for you that you are happy to be American.

Ooh BTW, you'r not arrogant! You'r just naieve.
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Manni

Sun Feb 24, 2002 5:25 am

Is that naieve...or naive??

Sorry, my lack of understanding causes me to ask! Look, you can think whatever you want about America and you can consider us welcome in other places in the world or not. The bottom line is that is really doesn't matter what you think! The stuff I have said prior to this post has been, what I consider, a much more political way of saying this:

America is THE big kid on the playground! We may not always be right, but it could be a lot worse. Instead of having a great nation that is willing to share it's wealth, you could be blond, blue-eyed and have German as your ONLY language!!
 
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RE: Manni

Sun Feb 24, 2002 5:44 am

What's wrong with Germany?

No offense here but, I more like the Krautz then the Yanks.

Ooh please, go ahead and have the last word on this.
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 7:39 am

Hamfist, please... You only help when you have an advantage on your hand. Why is the US not participating in the Spain conflict? Or the Greek conflict? Becouse there is no oil in the ground there! Thats why!

Im not against any americans or something, but the patriotic spirit is going out of hand. Esp. after 9-11. Thats a little scared for a small country like The Netherlands, where i live. For such a powerfull country u live in... So please keep your power into your own country. Bush has a great propaganda tour beghind him, I thought 50 % of the americans hated him, and now you are all brainwashed by his powerfull speeches, writen by the best propagana makers af all.... The Nati's began also that way... so be carefull...

Brain bless america... and the rest of the world

And dont think the US is helping a country like the netherlands... we help u at the moment with the campain against terrorists... a county as the Netherlands is not in a treat of any terrorist...

And don't pick on us not speaking proper English... Americans does not spreak English at all... they speak American. I am a dislect (right word?) and Im talking (writing) like 1000% better English then U can write Dutch, or Spanish, or German, of French... Short minded amercans think the whole world has to speak American... And well... In the netherlands like 80% of the population can speak proper English.

Cheers,
Schreiner

PS. Im now going to watch the dutch 1-2 in the skating olimpics (10.000 meters for men)  Laugh out loud

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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:41 am

OK...now that this thread has really gotten out of hand, maybe this will be my last post.

I hope that my posts haven't led any of the non-Americans on this forum to believe I harbour any disdain for you. I will admit to not thinking very highly of a few select nations, but I do respect each of your rights to your opinion and I do understand why some of you don't think very highly of the United States.

That being said, I do thoroughly believe what I have written previous to this post. I make no apologies for being an American or for 99% of what we do both in and out of our borders. Like I said before, I know we make mistakes, but I never said we don't act in our own self-interest. Do we rank oil-related crises above events such as natural disasters or civil wars? Sure we do! Give me one good reason why we shouldn't! Personally, I think we've earned the right to make up our own minds about where we will focus our efforts. I do, however, sincerely hope we always try to make decisions that respect all parties involved.
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 11:55 am

Im not against any americans or something, but the patriotic spirit is going out of hand.

Just curious....how are you in anyway exposed to U.S. patriotism everyday....in the Netherlands?

Is American patriotism more obscene than Islamic militantism?

Are American displays of pride disgusting, yet North Korea's parade after parade of missiles and weapons
acceptable?....just another unjustly accused underdog third world country that can gallantly make the suits in Washington & London tremble? While its' own citizens starve.

What's the difference between Americans waving their flag at the Olmpics and Palestinians waving their flag in the streets of Gaza? You seem like you'd be fast to label us spoiled and them victims. Does it upset you that a city like Salt Lake, with all its' religious interaction and tension, has still managed to evolve peacefully, unlike the West Bank?

Sorry, but on September 12th, our enemies chuckled at us. To paraphrase a NY Times writer from last week, now it's time for us to act and look and sound as crazy as they are. If you don't like our new 'look', well that's a YP isn't it?
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Sun Feb 24, 2002 6:09 pm

Schreiner-Which conflicts in Greece and Spain? Spain against the Basque terrorists? Greece vs. Turkey? The U.S. is invovled in Greece, just strictly on a diplomatic way. I doubt we do much, other than law enforcement/intelligence help with the Spanish.

It is not becuase there is no oil there...It just is not an appropriate place to use military force. We are not as dumb as we appear at times.  Smile

Part of the problem in how you see us is that you only get the news as it is filtered through your media. If you believe European media there is a gunbattle on American streets every few minutes, every American has a gun strapped to their side. Sure, 90 % of Americans like what Bush is doing at the moment. But politics are a fickle thing. They like this, but look at approval ratings for domestic policies. Hmmm. Not as good. What will be the fallout from Enron? Trust me, we are not snowed. Just as you don't want us to look down on you as Europeans, don't just lump America as a bunch of nuts. (okay, just most of us!  Smile )

And as Hamfist said, we are waaayyyyyyy off subject here, so......
 
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RE: Another US Military Chopper Down!

Tue Feb 26, 2002 2:05 am

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Is American patriotism more obscene than Islamic militantism?
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That's exactly what I mean!

U r doin thing u fight to...

If you will excuse me... I'll have to go to the toilet...

Cheers,
Schreiner
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