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Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Mon Apr 01, 2002 11:05 pm

Exactly what is the difference between the Air Force Reserve and the Air National Guard? Why does the US need two 'back up' air branches? And, lastly, does either air arm have assets committed in country in Afghanistan?
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Tue Apr 02, 2002 12:44 am

I asked the same question in the ANG/Reserves thread, the answer I got is that the ANG is in theory controlled by the particular state in which it is located, while the Reserves are under Federal control. It may be just me, but is seems that the USAFR has access to newer, better equipment than the ANG.

Try this link in case I missed something:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/8105/

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Tue Apr 02, 2002 3:25 am

The National Guard and Air National Guard trace their roots back to the Minute Men of the Revolutionary war, they're citizen soldiers that belong to State militias.

During times of crisis like natural disastors they can be called up by the Governor of their States, during times of war or conflict they can be "Federalized" as they are now to support operation Enduring Freedom.

They operate everything from B-1 Bombers to F-15 and F-16s to C-5s and of course KC-135s.

Here in NJ they're are to Air Guard units, the 177th fighter wing out of Atlantic City (F-16s) and KC-135s out of McGuire AFB.

Here's more about Air Guard air craft:

http://www.goang.com/alookinside_aircraft.asp
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:59 am

At one time Reserve units got hand me downs from the regualr forces and the Guard units got stuff that was handed down from reserve units....In other words the Guard had crap. But in the past 20 years or so the force structure has really changed. Reserve and guard units are used to "fill out" active units and so they get pretty much the same equipment. It is a NG unit that is bringing in the C-130J for the AIr Force, their pilots developing the operating procedures etc for this new a/c. (LOTS of politics invovled in that whole thing...)

Because of the actual use of Guard/Reserve units in call ups I understand that much of the politics, especially in the Guard, which had a deserved rep of having an "old boys club" have really changed. (FOr the better.)
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:02 pm

also

The Reserves is now a Major Command of the USAF, and many Reserve Units share active duty aircraft when they are not in us with the Actives (like us in AWACS) The Guard has it's own planes and equipment (like 100% of all US interceptor capes, 9% bombing capes etc) and Yes the Guard is run by the state unless federalized (for the most part)

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:07 am

On the people side, there are also major differences in things like payscale and secondary benefits.
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:48 am

The answer to your question is really quite lengthy, as it involves, among other things, equipment, mission and history. Quite a few Air Guard units existed prior to WW II as part of the Army National Guard. All Air Force Reserve units were formed after WW II.

Beginning in 1943, high-level talks were held in Washington about the future of the National Guard, and the emerging Air National Guard. It was decided then that the reserve units would provide trained personnel as fillers or reinforcements, to be used by existing active duty Air Force units. These units would train under the direct control of the active-duty forces. This is one of the reasons why when you look at the history of AFR units at the beginning of the Korean War, you see that many units were activated and then quickly inactivated-they had accomplished their mission, and their personnel were assigned to active-duty units.

The Air Guard, on the other hand, had political connections and state responsibilities that were not particularly appreciated by active duty leadership. The Air Guard’s role when called to active duty (federalized) was to provide trained units (not simply personnel) to be deployed with the active duty forces.

A lot has happened since the mid-1940s description above, and at certain times it is difficult to understand why two reserve forces exist today. One of those times for me is when I land at Minneapolis/St. Paul only to see an Air Guard C-130 unit at one end of the field, and Air Force Reserve C-130 unit at the other.

But there are differences, and they can be significant. Many personnel in the Reserve serve in a status known as Individual Ready Reserve, while most Air Guardsmen do not. Around 1972 the Air Force developed the Associate Wing concept for airlift wings operating the big heavies. The Air Guard had few heavy airlifters by that time, (though they had many earlier) and did participate in this program. Another example of existing differences is that the Air Guard has many communications and tactical control units for which the reserve has no equivalent. The Air Guard operated many Tactical Recon fighter units up until about ten years ago, while the Reserve had none, and as has already been mentioned, the Air Guard operated 100% of the Fighter Interceptor units.

As far as equipment is concerned, I am well prepared to argue that neither the Air Guard nor the Air Force Reserve was ever issued crap, as one respondent has suggested. Many Air Guard A-10 units received their aircraft directly from the factory. For that matter, when researching individual aircraft histories, you can find aircraft that served in the Active Duty Air Force, and then were swapped back and forth between the Guard and Reserve. In the case of certain RF-4C Phantoms, after they served with the Active duty Air Force, they were issued to the Air Guard only to be reintroduced to service in the active-duty Air Force much later. And not as crap.

Now I have a question. Twenty years ago there was no RAF reserve, but there seems to be one today. Can somebody step up and outline the more or less recent development of this force? I would like to know what types of aircraft they operate and do they share these resources with the active duty RAF, or do they "own" their aircraft?


 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Wed Apr 03, 2002 2:24 pm

TomH- Perhaps I should have been more specific. I am more familir with Army NG units. Trust me on this, the ones I dealt with had crap issued to them for quite a long time. But then someone got smart and started giving them up to date equipment. One of the first units to get the M-1 Abrams when it was new was a North Carolina guard unit. Not Air Force bashing. (Though why did they always make those planes so damned uncomfortable???  Smile )
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Mon Apr 08, 2002 4:41 am

The difference between the Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard is that the ANG has both State and Federal missions while the Air Force Reserve has just a Federal. The governor in each of the 50 states is the Commander and Chief of the state's Army/Air National Guard. If needed the active Air Force can call up Air Guard/Reserve units for assistance like during Desert Storm or what is going on right now.
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sun Apr 21, 2002 2:35 pm

Is the best way to get in ROTC? I'm probably (read most likely) going to Embry Riddle. If I do the AFROTC program there, what would I owe...
...To the normal AF
...To the ANG
...To the AFR

depending on which route I choose...
Also... what do they give me?
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Wed Apr 24, 2002 7:21 am

FSF, If you do ROTC at ERAU you won't have a commitment to either the ANG or AFRES...you'd be an active duty pilot serving a ten year Active Duty committment. If you want to shoot for the Guard or the Reserves, you wouldn't want to do ROTC. As a Reservist I have a ten year Reserve commitment that begins when I pin my wings on. I don't know when the AD commitments begin.


what do you mean what do they give you??

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:42 pm

How do flying hours of Reserve / ANG pilots compare to those of active duty pilots? National Guardsmen and Reservists are considered "weekend warriors", how true is that with aviation units? I mean, what kind of schedule are we talking about, do they spend every (other?) weekend at their unit, or do they just have to get a certain amount of flying done in a period of time? Since ANG and USAFR reserves have civilian jobs, are their units even staffed on weekdays/nights?  Smile

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:46 pm

Why is ROTC the "Reserve officer training corps" then, if you go into active duty?
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:11 pm

FlightSimFreak,

good question, the R does indeed mean Reserve. Officers commissioned through ROTC do indeed join and serve Active Duty commitments though. Check out this link below for some history on ROTC. As you'll see, the concept goes way back into the 18th century when the US Army wasn't as structured around standing forces as it is today. They needed personnnel for a corps of reserve officers ready to respond in time of crisis.

http://www.usarotc.com/History/shist01.htm

Let me know if you have any other questions......

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Thu Apr 25, 2002 4:12 pm

Actualy when I was in, we called them Weekend Wonders Laugh out loud
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:39 pm

The Reserve in ROTC means you get a 'Reserve Commision'. Now everyone academy, ots and ROTC all ger reserve commisions so it doesn't matter.
Academy Grads, and the DGs from ROTC used to get Regular commisions, that has now all changed. and yes I have one and was in ROTC  Smile

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 7:57 am

Every Guard or Reserve Unit will have some members who are full time either as an AGR (active guard and reserve) or technician (a civilian employee). Units have a drill weekend but at my unit most of that time is ground training and very little flying is done. Most of the time you will come in to do your flying training at other times. There are also a number of operational missions that are flown either by full timers or by traditionals(part timers) that are coming in for extra days to make some extra money or get some flying hours.
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 8:25 am

The difference is that the guard is defending the nation actively and the reserves are the back-up guys. I know some reservist and they only have to go in like, twice a month for a weekend.
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 11:52 am

well USAFjr yes and no. The Active Force is guarding the USA right now, Vipers and Eagles from up and down the east coast, not to mention those of us flying 12-18 hour missions in AWACS and the tanker guys, though Yes the Guard has been activated all over for Noble Eagle missions as well. Some Reserves have also. The 970 Reserve here at Tinker are activated to help all over as well.

Though generally the Guard, especially Air Force focuses more on domestic defense, since they 100% of the US interceptor force

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:36 pm

Is there any way to go into the reserve or the Natl. Guard while in college and have them pay for it?
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 7:18 pm

They may have ROTC, do a google search on "National Guard ROTC", maybe you will find something.
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Fri Apr 26, 2002 10:18 pm

It is possible to go into the Guard out of ROTC, it involves different contracts, and regs, but I know people who have done it.

There is also AMS in Tennessee that is like the Gaurd version of OTS

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sat Apr 27, 2002 2:05 am

OTS, Officer Training School, what is (was) COT?
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sat Apr 27, 2002 1:26 pm

The guard does not have ROTC. To get your commission you must have at least a bachelor's degree. You can enlist in the guard and then they will pay for college (or a portion of it depending on the cost) through the Montgomery GI Bill and most states also have tuition assistance programs. Once you have your degree you can apply for positions such as pilot. For some people this can work out well. There are not many part time jobs that provide money for college and are frequently quite flexible as to when you can work. It also is a good way to improve your chances of being selected for a pilot position. Most units prefer to select people that are already in their unit.
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:04 pm

COT is a part of Officer Training School:
Commissioned Officer Training is for preparing chaplains, lawyers, nurses and doctors for military service. When you arrive, you are commissioned as a Captain or a Major (or whatever, depending on your schooling, experience, and career field I think)....then you undergo 4 weeks of training before going to work for the military.
BOT or Basic Officer Training is the traditional 12 week OTS program that Second Lieutenants not commissioned through USAFA, ROTC or AMS go through.
OTS is located at Maxwell Air Force Base, Montgomery AL.
Here's a tidbit:
http://www.au.af.mil/au/au_catalog_2002/catalog2002_22_ots.html
 
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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sat Apr 27, 2002 5:09 pm

For those interested in OTS, here's their web presence:


http://ots.afoats.af.mil/

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Sat Apr 27, 2002 9:52 pm

Bjones, you can go straight from ROTC into the Guard, there were people in my commisioning class that did it,and I've worked with others as well.

AMS is the biggie for them, but ROTC is a way to go. You just have to have the slot available.

You can even go into the reserves from ROTC basically the same way. This just involves paperwork.

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:10 pm

Lt-Awacs,

Right now I don't think it is as easy. I know several people that tried to go guard or reserve last year and the active duty wouldn't let them out of their active duty commitment. I think this might have been because of a ROTC scholarship though. It probably depends on how bad the Air Force needs people at that particular time too.

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RE: Air Force Reserve/ ANG Difference

Mon Apr 29, 2002 11:36 pm

yes USAF Scholarships are a little different, then you are locked in a believe. (that is different though the POCI pay everyone gets)

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