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Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 4:28 am

Just a silly question that I've been wondering about the past few days and though that one of the experts in here might have an answer.
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 8:37 am

Well, to simplify this greatly, it all boils down to which has the best acceleration. Force = mass*acceleration, so it will be proportional to both force and mass. (Force/Mass = acceleration). There are lots of other factors involved, a key one being drag. Due to the fact that it will most likely be a fighter jet (which all have relatively similar shapes) we'll consider drag and all other factors to affect each aircraft equally.

Due to this, it is going to be the aircraft with the best thrust/weight ratio. Depending on how heavily loaded the aircraft is, it will vary, but a very good possiblity at maximum takeoff weight is the Suhkoi S-37. Other high powered fighters, such as the F-15 would also be up there.

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 8:41 am

several of the airdropped X-planes had high accelerations as well, though the standard Air Force answer applies here, it depends.  Big grin

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sat Apr 06, 2002 7:39 pm

I don't know which aircraft it is but I do want to put something up to add to what Flyf15 said.

All of the American F4 phantoms where powered with the J-79 engine. When the British ordered their versions of the phantom they where powered by Rolls-Royce Spey engines. If memory serves the RR engines where the more powerful of the two engines.

It is generally accepted that the British Phantoms accelerated more quickly then their American counterparts but the American Phantoms had a higher top speed.

Is there any RAF or RN folks out there who have experience with there British and American spec. Phantoms(The brits operated both) who could comment further on this.
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 12:00 am

SR 71 Blackbird? HUGE engines...
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 1:36 am

Not from personal experience, but the R/R Spey mod for the UK F-4K amd F-4M aircraft was a mixed affair.
Cost. These were expensive Phantoms, the cost of developing and flight testing the new engine, but also cuts in the numbers ordered.
The RN ordered 59, but got 52. 48 were operational, but 28 were immediately taken by the RAF, due to the rundown in the RN's carriers.
If the CVA-01 big-carrier programme had not been cancelled in 1966, the RN would have got up to 140 aircraft, assuming 3-4 CVA-01's built.
The RAF Ordered 148 F-4M's, but only 118 were built.
In many respects the Spey engine was disappointing, it did not improve performance across the board. Partly this was caused by drag due to airframe mods. to accomodate the larger Speys, especially in the rear fuselage.
J79 Phantoms were faster at higher altitudes, and accelerated better, the complex afterburner in the Spey was slower to light up too.
However, the Spey had some advantages.
Speed, acceleration and fuel consumption were better on Spey F-4's at low altitudes. This was significant, as from 1968-76 most RAF F-4M's were used in the attack role, before the Jaguar released them to provide a much needed boost to UK air defence.
Also, the Spey was smoke-free, unlike the smoky J-79's.
After the Falklands war, the runway at Port Stanley was lengthened to accomodate a RAF F-4M squadron.
As the Cold War was on, UK air defence was already understrength, and the Air Defence Variant Tornado was still a few years from widespread service, 15 ex USN F-4J's were leased to the RAF, for 74 Sqn.
So the RAF ended up with some J-79 Phantoms eventually!


 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 5:30 am

The Streak Eagle's accomplishment was pretty noteworthy.

In setting the last of the eight records, it reached an altitude of 98,425 ft. just 3 minutes 27.8 seconds from brake release at takeoff and "coasted to nearly 103,000 ft. before descending.

This plane climbed so fast they removed even it's decals fearing the friction would burn them off!

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 7:25 am

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while those X-planes propably had very high accelerations their 0 to Mach 1 time is very, very big - reason - when they are dropped they already have airspeed of the carrier aircraft, so basically they accelerate from 0 to launch speed as B-52.
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 07, 2002 9:07 am

The Streak Eagle was great, but all of it´s records were wiped off by it´s Su-27 conterpart, the P-42.

 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 5:31 pm

Lets not forget the F-15 Strike Eagle set these records back in the early 1970's. In it's day it was the worlds foremost air superioty fighter aircraft. The F-15 would still be in the top 10 today and i reckon the SU-27/SU-37 would come very close- maybe even out-accelerate the F-15 0- Mach 1. The F-104 starfighter climbed like a rocket too especially with the rocket/JATO pack it carried.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:49 am

The BAC Lightning had pretty wicked acceleration too, and could go supersonic in level flight without reheat.
Wasn't exactly overburdened with fuel though!
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 9:20 am

A modified MiG 25 broke most of the Streak Eagle´s (NOT Strike Eagle!) not long after that, but the P-42 records are absolute to date. Of course, maybe a stripped down F-22 could beat them, but I don´t think they will spend money on that.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 11:34 pm

I'm sure i have heard that the British Electric Lightning was the fastest accelerating jet, even today.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Fri Apr 12, 2002 12:31 am

Not sure about the acceleration, the Streak Eagle and P-42 records were climbing records. Oh, and YES they climbed faster then the Lightning.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:27 pm

I just looked up the numbers on the Su-27 and they are really shocking. Since it has come up here, the climb rate of a production Su-27 is 54,000fpm. Sure glad we never had to fight those guys.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sun Apr 14, 2002 2:14 pm

There was a guy that put a Walthers 601 turboprop in a Glassair homebuilt. Said he could make 20,000 feet in under four minutes.
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Mon Apr 15, 2002 11:36 am

My guess is the F-16 Falcon,the logicbeing that its engine has a thrust to weight ratio greater than one, and thats a hell of an acceleration, although I dont have any data other than that to back up my guess...

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Mon Apr 15, 2002 8:03 pm

I doubt that it's the F-16, it's one of quite a few fighters with a high thrust to weight ratio, besides, F-16 pilots that got a ride in F-14's claimed to be very impressed with the Tomcat's acceleration, although they may have just been trying to be polite. Big grin

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:35 am

LY- Fighter pilots being polite? Be serious!  Smile
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:04 am

maybe the mig-25 foxbat with its turmanskys
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:36 am

I'm not sure that kind of record exists, or for that matter is even measured, because it happens so fast.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Wed May 01, 2002 4:46 pm

English electric lightnings had the best climb rate for many years, only to be beaten by an F-15 (i think) but even today the lightning is No 2.
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Thu May 02, 2002 12:07 pm

Trent, read above, the Flanker smoked the F-15´s records...
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Thu May 02, 2002 9:25 pm

Let's face it, the aircraft doesn't matter - it's the pilot.

Everyone know's that a Cessna 150 could out accelerate an F-15 if it's pilot used to be a Pizza Hut delivery person...

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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Fri May 03, 2002 12:33 am

Well, in the F-15´s records, the computer made the difference. They know what speed and angles to climb to get the fastest overall climb to 96000.

Don´t know about the Flanker´s records, all I know is that they were faster  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Which Plane Is Fastest: Zero To Mach 1?

Sat May 04, 2002 10:27 am

The fastest plane to Mach One is the Bell X-1 because it did it first.  Nuts

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