shaun3000
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Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:15 pm

My saw an airplane fly over a few months ago and his description sounds just like a B-36. He has no idea what it was. I showed him some pictures of B-36's and he said that it looked like what he saw.

If it helps, we live in the Dallas area.

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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:16 pm

That would be my DAD who saw an airplane fly over...
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:37 pm

No. No B-36's are flying. The only one I know of that is in a museum is at the AF museum in Dayton. Incredible airplane!
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:43 pm

I should know better than to post without checking...After a web search it appears there are at least 4 preserved B-36's. AF museum, SAC at Offut AFB NE, Castle AFB California and a new museum in Ft. Worth which has not been built yet and the B-36 is in the middle of restoration.

It would be amazing to see one fly.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 2:54 pm

Are any of these airworthy? Would they have bene flying through Dallas? I knew about the Ft. Worth project, and as far as I know, it is FAR from airworthy.

I actually saw the plane at the Alliance Air Show a few years back. Had no wings, the fueselage was a mess, but they were letting us walk through it. it was pretty cool. I was only 10 or so at the time, so I didn't really realize what it was. I wish I'd been older.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 3:42 pm

None are flying. Sorry.  Smile
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 4:59 pm

Huh. Then what did my dad see that could have looked like a B-36? I didn't think that's what it was, though his description sounds just like one... He even said the pictures looked like what he saw. Of course, he saw only the underside and it was several thousand fee up.

Are there any other planes that could be mistaken for a B-36, when seen sillouetted (sp?) against the sky?

 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:16 pm

if you think the b-36 is impressive you should see the XC-99, i saw it while it was down at Kelly AFB in texas, it was all run down and junky but still quite impressive ( to bad we let treasures like that go )
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 10, 2002 8:19 pm

B-52  Smile

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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:04 am

Other than the single non-airworthy XC-99 there is nothing that looks like a B-36. None of the museum-resident B-36s are airworthy, as you have learned.

I think there are still one or two Shorts Belfast large turboprop freighters that make it to the States occasionally. Still, they don't look anything like a B-36.

All I can offer up is a story I wrote about the B-36s that I saw when I was young. If interested, you or your dad can check it out here:
http://www.sover.net/~tomh/Sawit.html
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:47 am

Galaxy- Is the XC-99 still somewhere? Or has it been made into cans?

(The C-99 was the cargo version of the B-36. A huge airplane. It had single wheel gear and was so heavy that only a couple of fields could handle it. (One being San Diego Lindbergh and the other at DFW I think.) Never made it into production. )
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 2:16 am

I just went to Castle AFB museum. There is indeed a B-36 and I made high quality digital photos of it. If you want them just e-mail me .

Cheers!
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:26 am

Yes there is one XC-99 around it was owned byBill Rheams, until the IRS told him it was worth $8 mill and he quickly donated it to the AARA.

Check it out the story is part of the book Speaking of Flying. It has the tales of many pilots that have flown, and wrote about it.
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 8:05 am

I just watched Strategic Air Command on cable, Jimmy Stewart flew a B-36 in the begining.
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 11, 2002 6:50 pm

2912n-I don't know exactly where the XC-99 is, but after it flew successfully for a number of years as the first USAF outsized transport it lay derelict at Kelly AFB, TX for decades. I'm sure it is still in existance.

The XB-36 had the single large MLG wheel. The XC-99 has landing gear similar, if not identical to production
B-36s.

STT757-I was greatly influenced by the movie Strategic Air Command as a kid. Though I didn't know it at the time, it won the cinematography award for 1955. Those beautiful in flight contrail sequences must have helped cinch the award.

 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:33 am

All four surviving B-36s are the property of the Air Force Museum. The three not at WPAFB are technically "on loan" to their respective museums. Both the Castle and Ft. Worth restoration groups were told in no uncertain terms that the a/c were not to be restored to flying condition.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:40 am

Strategic Air Command is one of my favorites, Jimmy Stewart's background as an Air Force Officer makes the movie. That and the obvious help the Air Force gave to the making of the film, where was the character Jimmy Stewart played based McDill in Tampa?.. OR at McCoy in Orlando?.
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Fri Apr 12, 2002 11:54 am

James Stewart's character...Colonel "Dutch" Holland was based at Carswell AFB, Texas. In reality, Mister Stewart enlisted as a airman in the USAAC at the outbreak of WWII, then rose to the rank of Brigadier General in the United States Air Force Reserve, before retiring from the service. One helluva of an American.  Wink/being sarcastic Regards.
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Fri Apr 12, 2002 6:18 pm

Exnonrev,
Taking that a step further, we can say that nearly all ex-USAF aircraft on static display are property of the USAF Museum on loan to the display site. This issue came up when my ANG unit discovered one of its old
F-51H Mustangs was at Chanute AFB when it was about to close. We wanted to get it for display at home drome, but USAF Museum wanted it back 'cause they didn't have any of that specific Mustang type.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Sat Apr 13, 2002 1:37 am

There used to be a B-36 static at Chanute. I remember that because my ex-wife went to tech school there and her father was a flight engineer on the B-36 at Carswell and he noticed that the B-36 on display was the primary one he flew.

Does anyone know where that B-36 went to after Chanute closed?
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Sat Apr 13, 2002 12:22 pm

The Chanute RB-36H (the only surviving RB) was disassembled and moved by train to the Castle museum shortly before Chanute was closed.

Looking at the photos on the Castle museum's web site, she sure looks a lot better than she did when I visited Chanute in 1990.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Sun Apr 14, 2002 1:25 am

The sound you may have heard which resembled the B-36 may have come from your TV set. This past week on the AMC movie network they had the Jimmy Stewart movie Strategic Air Command which featured B-36s.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Sun Apr 14, 2002 11:21 pm

Strategic Air Command is a great movie and for those who've never seen a B36 or B47, it's a must see.

The movie (which is in color) has the most beautiful flying sequences I've ever seen.

As great as the B36 scenes are the B47 scenes. This plane is the grandfather of modern commercial airliners.
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:20 am

Five years ago I had the opportunity to visit the Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB outside Dayton Ohio, where they had on static display a surviving B-36. This aircraft length wise, I believe is a little longer than the B-52.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Mon Apr 15, 2002 1:40 am

There is never any question about whether something is a B-36 or not. If it doesn't vibrate the house down, leave 8 contrails (the two pylon mounted jets on each wing left only one contrail) and have parts falling off of it, it isn't a B-36. The KC-97 has a similar but not as intense sound and is not similar in appearance to a B-36. Besides, I think there is only one KC-97 still flying. It was probably a B-52 at high altitude.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Wed Apr 17, 2002 2:55 am

As a kid I remember C-124's flying over Denver (same engines: R-4360's) and they would shake the heck out of the place. C-133's (turboprops) were even louder and shakier. My guess at what your father saw/heard if it was low enough would be either a P-3 or C-130. They are pretty noisy if you're in the right place.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 18, 2002 3:50 am

I was watching "Planes of Fame" on Speedvision a while back. The episode was on the B36.

The B36 according to POF was initially a design based on an Army Air Force specification for an intercontinental bomber in the beginning of WW2.

The thought behind this was the deteriorating situation in Europe with grave doubts whether Britain could hold the Germans at bay. The U.S. then would need a aircraft to run bombing missions across the Atlantic.

Can anyone expand on this?
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Thu Apr 18, 2002 12:51 pm

There was a great article in Flying a few years back called "The Big Bad B-36" that spoke of the quirks of the airplane and its history. I remember some of the highlights as being:

1) A B-36 is missing. It is in the Air Force inventory but nobody can find it.
2) A B-36 simply collapsed of its own weight on the ramp at Carswell.
3) A B-36 kept coming back from high altitude missions with machine gun bullet holes in its tail. It flew this way for quite a while until someone figured it out: a small oil leak developed in one of the engines at altitude and oil ran back along the cowling; the oil froze and the prop batted the "bullet" into the empenage and, on descent, the oil melted and ran off, leaving no trace.
 
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FDX

Fri Apr 19, 2002 7:40 pm

I have had Meyer Jacobson's B-36 book for about 2 years now but haven't had time to read it. It is about the best and most comprehensive work on the B-36 yet.

That excuse aside, I would describe the development of the B-36 in exactly the same words that you posted. I think the XB-36's serial number was a 41-xxxx, meaning it was ordered in fiscal 1941. This pretty well confirms that the B-36 was under development throughout
WW II. Interesting also, in that this implies the designers had no idea the aircraft would eventually carry nuclear weapons.
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Fri Apr 19, 2002 10:32 pm

The B-36 at the SAC Museum on Offutt AFB, Nebraska, was moved to the the musuem's new home, The Strategic Air and Space Museum. That brand new beautiful facility is located off Interstate 80 exit 426 in Ashland, Nebraska. If you love Cold War aircraft, I highly recommend a visit. The B-36 is the largest plane in the museum. It's HUUUGE!

http://www.strategicairandspace.com/home.html
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RE: FDX

Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:09 pm

Hey TomH...Can you either post an email here that I can reach you at or send me one at my email? (tony2912n@hotmail.com) I have a link I want to share with you.  Smile T
 
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RE: Are There Any B-36's Still Flying?

Tue Apr 23, 2002 3:41 am

Check out this photo of the XC-99. Look at the size of the landing wheel...Too heavy for most runways with this gear configuration.
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/fta/xc99-5.jpg

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