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F-4 Crashes In California

Sun Apr 21, 2002 12:13 pm

Just saw this on the local news...

In Ventura, California, at an airshow, an F-4 crashed. They showed home video, and looks like the aircraft was making a low pass, then two puffs of fire from the engines following by the aircraft nosing over into a right banking descent out of control, 1 crewman ejected but the plane crashed right after he departed and there was a huge fireball...both crew are dead...

Who did this plane come from? I thought all F-4's were gone from the USAF/RES/ANG...

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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:15 pm

The German Air force training det. at Holloman maybe? They fly the F-4.  Smile
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Sun Apr 21, 2002 7:36 pm

No, It was a QF-4

The Q means that it was an F-4 that was converted to be an aerial drone. It can be flown with a crew or by remote control. Most of them will be blown up testing missiles.
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:38 pm

Can anyone tell me more about the German F-4's at Holloman that Contact_tower mentioned? The organizers of the 2002 London Airshow promise an F-4 appearance that they say is based out of Holloman AFB. Is it going to be a German a/c, then?

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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:00 am

There are 23 F-4F Phantoms based at Holloman, alongside 42 Tornados. They are used by the German Air Force Flying Training Centre. The Phantoms are operated by US-Personnel and flying with USAF emblem and 'HO'-Tailcode.
The Centre has a homepage which is available in German and ENGLISH: http://www.flgausbzlw.net/
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:18 am

If the F-4's are flown by Americans and wear USAF color schemes, what's the German connection?  Smile

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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 2:56 am

I'm sorry. My English is not the best one.
What I meant was that the Phantoms are used to train German fighter pilots but are maintained by US Personell. I'm not sure if they have American Instructor Pilots too. Maybe someone else has more informations  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 6:59 am

LY 744 and Rene, below find a picture of a Holloman based F-4 used by German crews for flight training:
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:12 am

I thought the F-4 was retired from US service and are being converted into remote control target drones?
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:30 am

The one that crashed was a QF-4, which would make it a drone, but they also use them as manned a/c for a varieety of purposes. Just becausse it is a drone does not mean it always gets shot at/down.

 
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Lot Of QF-4's At...

Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:32 am

Tyndall AFB has a lot of QF-4's also. They are indeed used as aerial targets for the USAF. However, some flights are "manned" whenever the aircraft needs to be tested.

Must feel really strange sitting in a fighter jet being flown by someone on the ground. I could see an endless bag of potential gags.
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 11:27 am

I was on my way to that airshow, but I was turned away, I live 20 minutes from Point Mugu NAS. Point Mugu has the largest squadron of F-4's. The phantom is used extensively for testing out new flight equipment like different kind of radars and stuff like that. That particular phantom flew for VX-9. Point mugu has one of the biggest naval sea test range. also
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 1:58 pm

I was ther and watched it happen. It was horrifing
I turned to my dad after the engine flamed out and told him that the plane was going to crash and 5-10 sec. later it hit. One pilot ejected just before impact but was to low for the chute to open.
It was an F-4 stationed at Point Mugu.
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Mon Apr 22, 2002 8:20 pm

Obviously not the F-4 you are talking about, but for the last couple of years there has also been a flying F-4D with "OY" tail code and Euro1 camo at US airshows. This one is painted to represent a USAF Vietnam-era ace whose name I forgot.
 
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RE: F-4 Crashes In California

Tue Apr 23, 2002 5:53 am

"I'm not sure if they have American Instructor Pilots too. Maybe someone else has more informations "

From http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com

"F-4's do not formally belong to the FlgAusbZLw, but as 20th Fighter Squadron they are part of the US Air Force's 49th Fighter Wing, which also flies F-117 Nighthawks and T-38 Talons. Nonetheless, command of the squadron has recently been taken over by a German squadron leader, and most of the flying instructors are German Air Force personnel as well. Maintenance has been handled since November 1999 by Dyn Corp."
 
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Tomh--that Ace Was...

Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:49 am

The pilot you are referring to is retired General Steve Ritchie. We had him at an airshow on Randolph AFB in 2000. Also had a chance to meet him when he spoke at my ROTC unit back in 94/95 timeframe. Seemed like an OK guy, but I've heard from others who have had less-than-pleasant encounters with him. I hear he can be a jerk sometimes.
 
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Hamfist

Tue Apr 23, 2002 8:11 am

You are correct it was a GF-4 arial radar and target plane basesed at either Mugu or Tyndall.
 
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Hamfirst

Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:12 pm

Yeah, that's the guy. I was going to put his name in my reply, but I couldn't remember if Ritchie was USAF or USN. Anyone know if there were any USMC aces in 'Nam?

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