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Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:14 pm

Wichita-built 737s will be purchased by Turkey

Four Wichita-built 737-700s will be playing a key role for the government of Turkey's defense system, say officials at the Boeing Co.




Boeing said Tuesday that Turkey's military had signed a $1 billion contract for four airplanes equipped with the company's Airborne Early Warning & Control System, an advanced radar and communications program designed to detect enemy aircraft.



The sale of the system, using modified Boeing 737-700 jetliners, must next be approved by the U.S. State Department and Congress.



Boeing will deliver Turkey's AWACS system after filling an order for Australia in 2004, said spokeswoman Marta Newhart.



Boeing first announced it was negotiating with Turkey in November 2000, valuing the deal at roughly $1.5 billion.


The manufacturer will look for future sales to NATO countries and other U.S. allies, Newhart says, citing Singapore, Italy and Korea as potential customers.



Using 737s instead of larger 767s substantially cuts down on the cost of purchasing an AWACS aircraft, making them affordable for smaller countries

This will open up more exchange slots in Australia and Turkey for Air Battle Managers, very cool.

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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Jun 06, 2002 4:32 pm

Italy has just bought 4 B767TT for heavy transport and air refuelling duties and is now evaluating again the E-767 AWACS after the Air Force delayed this decision some 5 years ago, when the favourite was the E-2C.

The E-767 is by far the most expensive AWACS available but is also the most capable and having already in service other 767s could be a good excuse to buy them. 2/4 examples is probably what the Air Force is looking for.
Air Defence in Italy is benefitting of a lot of attention by the Govt. and the public opinion after the facts of 9/11 and the subsequent sensible events (interception of unidentified civil aircrafts, NATO and UN meetings, etc.).

We are in the process of beginning production of the first EF-2000 Typhoons (the first production examples to fly of all the four nations is an Italian two seater) and next year will begin deliveries of the 34 F-16 ADF leased from the USAF so the decision on an AEW platform can't be delayed anymore....

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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Jun 06, 2002 6:10 pm

When does the RAAf get their 1st ones?
 
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Jun 06, 2002 10:39 pm

"The E-767 is by far the most expensive AWACS available but is also the most capable "

The E-767 while a newer airframe, is not 'more' capable. It has the same Rdar the An/APY-2 that our E-3Cs have but it does not have the Full RSIP package nor does it have the ESM and PDS systems that we have on ours, NATO's and the UKs (and by 2005 France).

The Widebody is more comfortable though  Smile

I don't know when the Aussies get theirs. I've heard maybe Woomera as a base??????? I have no idea. I have also heard that the first Aussies to come throug the Training Squadron here at Tinker could be late 2003??

I will look for more details.

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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:33 pm

RAAF Wedgetails will be based at RAAF Williamtown,home of the Hornet, near Newcastle in the state of New South Wales. I believe one will be rotated on TDY to Tindal in the Northern Territory (also home of a Hornet squadron, No.75).
 
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Fri Jun 07, 2002 5:59 pm

Australian Wedgetails will be based at RAAF Williamtown, the RAAF's premier fighter base, located near Newcastle in the state of New South Wales and I believe one will serve a temporary deployment to RAAF base Tindal in the Northern Territory. Australia has ordered four a/c and has an option on two more but despite the present gov't's pro defence leaning, it's unlikely we'll see that option exercised. How you provide a workable coverage of a country the size of Australia with just four of these platforms is beyond me- at any given time there'd be one Wedgetail in maintenance and one used for training, leaving just two to cover over 20 000 k's of coastline. We botched our last attempt at an Early Warning system (Jindalee Over the Horizon Network), so let's hope we get this one right....Oh and on the Wedgetail again- this will make it the second 'orphan' system employed by the RAAF ( the other being the F-111) Should make logistic support interesting a few years down the track..........
 
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Fri Jun 07, 2002 7:18 pm

well it might not be an Orphan as Turkey and probably Italy will buy it, and maybe even S Korea. Thoughts are the we might get one or two at Tinker here in the States to us as part of our training program as most of hte IQT and MQT will be run (for the Air Battle Manager and Surveillance side) here at AWACS country at Tinker.


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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Fri Jun 07, 2002 10:26 pm

Besides you have to realise that the airframe definatly will not be an Orphan.

In twenty years you got to figure that they are going to want to update the avionics and electronics anyway. Big thumbs up
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 7:46 am

I know boeing has a factory in Wichita, but I thought all 737's were built in Seattle. Is the entire airplane being built in Kansas or is it only being modified with the AWACS system there.

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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:09 am

It will be built in Washington and modified in Kansas
 
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:42 am

I have read somewhere that Turkey's AEW&CS platform would be delayed up to 18 months but I can't find the report now.
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:20 pm

Yes unfortunately the Awacs programme delayed for a while,I think for government cutbacks(not sure though)My nephew is an aircraft technician who is selected for awacs training in USA,he took the ground schools and English language clases but their departure is delayed for a while.

My father flew the NATO awacs exchance in Germany when he was in the airforce and he continues to fly for the airlines.Many times the airplanes are based in Konya AFB,as well as Incirlik in Turkey.

Nice to hear you may be deployed to Turkey for an exchange(or may be providing training support ?) I am sure you will enjoy the sun and fun in Turkey.
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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:46 am

Konya is one of our (NATO's) 4 Forward Operating Bases.
We have dozens of Turkish Air Force members here as permanent members of our 14 nation flying "club"  Silly

THe Aussies have been flying with the USAF at Tinker for their AWACS training and the Turks will fly more at Geilenkirchen to spin up more folks on their Wedgetail. Both have offices in Seattle now as well. I will expect South Korea to do something similar either at TInker, Kadena, or with the JASDF but I haven't heard their plans yet.

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RE: Turkey Will Get The 'wedgetail' Awacs

Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:39 pm

Update:

The Dec 06 issue of Air Forces Monthly reports that the second Peace Eagle airframe for Turkey's AE&WC had been delivered last Oct 2 for outfitting, but also mentions that the program is still behind schedule.
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