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Tankers

Sat Jul 13, 2002 4:36 am

Tankers and their crews are the unsung heros of many a pilot. I've heard stories of tankers hooking up with a fighter who ran out of fuel and had his engine die. The tanker descended with the fighter, refueled him, and he got home. There several stories from Viet Nam like this. There are stories of tankers going into Southern Iraq during Desert Storm to refuel a plane that wasn't going to get home if they didn't get fuel. I've talked with an A-10 pilot who came home because a tanker crew stuck their neck out, big time. Does anyone have any first person experiences like these or better?
 
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RE: Tankers

Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:02 pm

just a note on the side... I heard that the SR-71 Blackbird has a tanker designed for it and it alone... its like the KC-130K or R or something... cant remember.
 
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RE: Tankers

Sat Jul 13, 2002 8:56 pm

Can't be a KC-130, since the SR-71 (like all other AR-capable USAF a/c) uses the Boom air-refueling system.

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RE: SR-71 Tankers

Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:35 pm

The tanker adapted for refuelling the SR-71 Blackbird was the KC-135Q Stratotanker, all since re-engined to KC-135T standard. It wasn't dedicated to refuelling the SR-71 - it was capable of carrying the fuel that that aircraft needed, but could also carry "normal" fuel for other types.

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RE: Tankers

Sat Jul 13, 2002 9:54 pm

Didn't they have to do a tank purge when they switched fuels from J-6(SR-71 fuel) to Jet-A?

Also wasn't there a heating system for the fuel before it went out to the boom. From what I have read, Blackbird gas was pretty thick.
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RE: Tankers

Sun Jul 14, 2002 2:00 am

I have tons of stories. I have personally vectored tankers all over southern IRaq and Afghanistan to refuel other guys who didn't hit the tanker legs. It happens on a daily basis.

there are literally 1000's of stories. I enjoy working with the tankers, busy but fun indeed.

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RE: Tankers

Sun Jul 14, 2002 3:39 am

oh yeah... thats right... it was the KC-135Q, sorry about that..
 
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RE: Tankers

Mon Jul 15, 2002 4:17 pm

Not first hand, but one of the most impressive tanker stories is the one that involved the Vulcan bombing the runway at Port Stanley in the Falkland Islands. To get it there and back, the tankers had to refuel tankers which refuelled tankers etc. That must have taken some co-ordinating. Does anyone know how many tanking operations occured?
 
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RE: Tankers

Mon Jul 15, 2002 9:23 pm

References to the SR-71. Both the U-2 family and the SR-71's use (or used) JP-7. The reason for this special fuel is that at the altitudes these airplanes operate (or operated) their range would be restricted by the evaporation rate of the fuel (JP-4). So a fuel with a very low vapor pressure (JP-7) was developed. This fuel is also very difficult to light off; I know the SR-71's used a hypergolic (spelling?) ignition system in which a fluid, that ignites on contact with oxygen, is injected into the burner section (and the afterburner or reheat to Brits) and this ignites the fuel. If you see a film of either an engine start or an A/B light of a SR-71, look for the green flash before ignition. That is the hypergolic fluid lighting off. I don't know what type of ignition system the U-2's use.
KC-135's and KC-10's were adapted to carry this fuel. The KC-135Q is the SR-71 refueler.
I would still like to get some tanker stories, if anyone has some.
 
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RE: Tankers

Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:44 am

About tankers,

Does the Netherlands Air Force have some plans to replace their KDC-10 with "KMD-11" (for example, ex KLM birds)?

Because their KDC-10 are slowly but surely ageing and need to be replace in a middle-term...?!

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RE: Tankers

Wed Jul 17, 2002 2:27 pm

Can't haul ass without tanker gas!
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