PolAir
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Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:23 pm

I am a aviation student in US, but I am not a citizen. I am seriously thinkin how my future is going to look like, as after 9/11 not to many airlines is hiring (most firing) and my chances to score a job in US get lower and lower each day. Most of my friends suggested that I should join air force, but I don't even know if its possible, and what advatages and disadvantages are actually involved. So I have few questions:

1. Can a foreign person join US Air Force?
2. Will my previous schooling ( 1.5 year at UND, PPL and instrument ) count toward degree in Air Force?
3. Can Air Force guarantee your career at the sign up ( I am interesting in flying only)?
4. How long would I have to stay in Air Force, minimum, as my ultimate goal is flying for an airline?

I know I should go to the recruiting place and ask them, but I thought I ask you guys first. Thank for all the responses.
 
TriStar500
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Mon Nov 04, 2002 6:49 pm

I guess you'll get more replies if you post this in the military forum.  Smile
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saintsman
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Mon Nov 04, 2002 8:26 pm

I don't know the answers to the US questions, though I doubt you'll have much success, but what is the matter with your own country's Air Force? It seems to me that you will have more chance closer to home.
 
PPGMD
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 1:32 am

Well as a non-citizen of the US you can not be an officer, and you have to be an officer to fly with the Air Force. You can enlist in the Air Force, and get you citizen ship twice as fast, then qualify to become an officer.

Minimum enlistment time 4 years. Minimum time in the USAF after you under go pilot training (this is after all the other forms of training one would have to undergo to become an officer) 10 years.
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PolAir
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 7:44 am

Well, i am polish, and there is really not much for an air Force there. Last time i heard government even decided to stop training pilots, and hire foreigners, but am not interested.

thanks PPGMD,
i didnt know military can help me with citizenship. I will have to look into it more.
So 4 years for enlistment + 10 years= 14 years. Huh, i dont know....

Do u guys know if ex-military pilots have any advantage in airline hiring process over ordinary civil pilots?
 
PPGMD
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 11:23 am

Well it takes 7 years under a green card to become a citizen, the military will cut that in half. So you can become a citizen in 3.5 years. Once you have your bachlors degree and your citizenship I think you can request to be considered for Officers Training School. If you qualify you goto OTS, then you try out for the job that you want. Then you have about a year of training if you want to become a pilot, then you have to serve ten years active duty.

I would guess it would be about 15 year minimum, at that point you might as well stay the extra 5 years and get your retireiment, which is your half your final pay for the rest of your life.
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 2:11 pm

Try a Guard or Reserve unit. Get the training and then walk your military training around to the airlines while you are flying for Uncle Sam every few weekends.
 
PolAir
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 2:24 pm

now, will my previous schooling count toward degree for Air Force?

Can they guarantee flight position at the recruiting place?

man, that is one very hard decision. If i join US Air Force, i will never be able to come back to my home country, as it will be treated as a treason.....
 
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Tue Nov 05, 2002 5:31 pm

Hey polair, you might remember me, we talked a little bit through IM when you were over here at UND and I was at the University of Minnesota, Crookston. May I ask why you left UND? I'm over there now.

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PolAir
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Wed Nov 06, 2002 12:13 am

hey --dragogoalie-#88--

well, its a long story,
few reasons:
- it costs sooooo much, and my parents are running out of cash, so i have to look at some other options. Plus school send me a notice about raising tuition for foreign students, starting next year.
- all my friends left! each and every one of them. It just wasnt fun anymore.
- i didnt like the place. GFK is a boring shithole.
- my hostparents in Iowa, have some health problems, and i just wanted to be close to them, just in case....

I was thinking about enrolling in Warrensburg. AF is another option, but i dont know... I dont want to be stuck doing something i dont really like. I want to fly, does not matter what, as long as its fixed wings. Something big would be nice.
 
Bjones
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Fri Nov 15, 2002 11:56 am

If you enlist they can't give you any guarantee that you will get to become an officer or a pilot. The air force doesn't particularly care what your degree is in, they just require one for you to become an officer. Your current college will count towards whatever the school that you decide to finish college at agrees to give you credit for. When you get ready to apply for a pilot position having flying experience will increase your PCSM score which is one thing that they use to determine who to offer pilot slots to. If you are accepted as an officer in the Air Force they can offer you a pilot spot at the time you are accepted for an officer position. So if you found a way to finish college and get your citizenship then applied you would not go into the air force not knowing whether you would be a pilot or not.
 
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RE: Questions To All The Air Force Guys

Mon Nov 25, 2002 4:23 pm

Try the US Navy. The only pilots that can land a jet on an aircraft carrier.  Laugh out loud

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