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UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sat Mar 08, 2003 1:25 am

Hi

Having just heard Hans Blix's report on Iraq, he mentioned that they now used U-2's and French (I guess Mirage IV's) recon planes as well as satellites. He did however also mentioned that they now also will have Russian planes available.

Does anyone know what plane this is?? The recon version of the MiG-25??

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:18 am

What about the An-30?

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sat Mar 08, 2003 9:41 am

Hard to tell.

The russians did have a number of IL-18's converted to various radio platforms and some fisheries ones with a sidescan radar on the belly.

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:17 am

During the february speech, Blix made several mentions of low level recon being carried out by AN-2 biplanes. Makes sense to me. Low, slow, and long loiter times. I have not heard anything since that speech however.

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:19 am

yes Mirages4's. saw them on tv

Didn't know they were still around, first flight 1959 ....

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:38 pm

Why is the high-altitude capability of the U-2 necessary in this case? Is it not possible to use aircraft from more normal altitudes on these missions or is it feared that Iraq would try to shoot down one of these UN recon planes?

Why is it not possible to use the US Army Beech C-12 variants, or EH-60, or a Navy pod-equipped F-14, or any of the highy-touted UAVS?

Or, to hammer home a point I have brought up here before, why not use one of the pod-equipped USAF F-16s? The latter does exist, doesn't it? Someone quick, show me a photo of one in current operational service!!!



 
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:49 pm

Hi

I guess the reason why they use the U-2's and not a pod-equipped fighter is that the U-2 carries more sophisticated equipment than the recce pods. Also the area that has to be monitored is very large, and the U-2 has an endurance of more than 10 hours on its internal fuel, far longer than any fighter. As for the UAV's I would think that they also use them, but again the U-2 carries more sophisticated gear.

I don't think Iraq will attempt to shot any of the planes down, as this would basically give the USA a valid reason to launch a full scale attack.

I don't know if the USAF has any pod-equipped F-16's, but the ANG does have some recce pod equipped F-16's:

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:15 am

Just a few hours have gone by and here is what has transpired:
http://www.nandotimes.com/front/story/801802p-5715959c.html




 
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:34 am

Hi Tomh

Could you tell us what the link is about? When I click on it I have to log on to their site. Thanks in advance.

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:23 am

Iraq scrambled Migs to intercept to American U-2s that were flying as part of the U.N. inspection team. I guess that this is "Full Cooperation"? Yet again, another instance were the SR-71 would have made this a non-situation. At 85,000ft + and over Mach 3, Iraq could have scrambled all the Migs they wanted. The Habu crew would have just waived as they blew by.
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:04 am

Soren,
I apologize, I am a member of Nando and was able to see the article about the scrambled MiGs, of course you could not see it.

Anyway, CX747 answered your question correctly. For some reason the USA is playing down this intercept. The restraint exhibited by US/UK Air forces in the last couple of years has been truly impressive, though personally, I cannot understand why such a thing as an airworthy Iraqi MiG still exists.

 
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:30 am

Despite what the rest of the world thinks, the U.S. and the U.K. have shown quite a remarkable amount of restraint when it comes to these infractions. Again, I would love nothing more than to have a SR-71 blast over Baghdad at 500ft.
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Next Time

Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:32 am

The next time, the U.S. launches a U.N. sanctioned U-2 observation flight over Iraq, they should have 4 F-14 Tomcats circling. If a blip shows up on the radar screen, Phoenix missiles should be sent as a hello.
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:43 pm

CX747,
That's the way to do it. Trouble is the age of the F-14 fleet seems to be making the USN a one jet force-F/A-18 only! (Slight exaggeration). Yes, a Phoenix in the face at 75 miles is likely to keep airspace congestion to a minimum.
 
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:32 pm

75 miles, beyond visual range ...

cool !

pls take care it not an A300 agian

resulting encounters might be unexpected :



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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:58 am

Ok I haven't heard about the scrambling of MiG's against UN planes. I wonder why USA/UK are laying low on this.

As for the F-14's for CAP it would most likely keep most Iraqi MiG's well away. The only problem would be the frequent trips to the tanker they would have to make.

As for the Iranian F-14's, they got them while they were on the "good guys" team in the 1970's (along with lots of other US military hardware).

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Thu Mar 13, 2003 2:16 am

Actually, the F-14 has a remarkebly long loiter time, so tanker trips would not be as frequent as F/A-18s or F-16s. As for the F-14 being old, that is true but they are pulling their fair weight. In fact, it is the Tomcats who led the Operation Enduring Freedom sorties. They were able to carry much more ordance than the Hornets and not need as much gas.

As for the Iranian A300, that was a missile fired from a ship, not an aircraft. Also, one thing that led to that tragedy taking place was the fact that the IRAF used to fly extremely close to their civilian aircraft in order to get closer to the U.S. battle groups. It was a horrific loss though.

Does anyone have figures on how the F/A-18Es of VFA-115 are staking up against VF-31's F-14Ds? Both are currently onboad the Lincoln.
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:45 am

Most of the Iranian F-14's are not flyable...they got 79 of them I think, only a tiny fraction are airworthy I believe...

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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:33 am

Tomh:
I cannot understand why such a thing as an airworthy Iraqi MiG still exists.

There are restrictions but Iraq is allowed to maintain an army/air force.

For some reason the USA is playing down this intercept.

Yes, I don't really see why but according to German media, the agreement says "one U2 per time". This time two planes took off.
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RE: UN Inspectors Recon Planes

Sun Mar 16, 2003 9:14 am

NoUFO,

Yeah, I know all that. This is no more than the legacy of a defective earlier agreement. One can seriously question why "Iraq is allowed to maintain an army/air force." And one can question the logic that led the US to agree to "one U2 per time".

Subject to change at any moment.





 
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An-30B

Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:14 pm

Russia has offered a few An-30B's a while ago...


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