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So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:09 pm

Cos I read that even the old 707 AF1 had an escape pod. It makes a lot of sense, and wouldn't necessarily be difficult from an engineering standpoint, when you consider some of the other gadgets they have on board.

(Remember in the Simpsons when Mr Burns gets in his escape pod, and there's two seats, but he won't let Smithers in - "I need the legroom". Ka-boom.)
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:12 pm

The short answer: No

The long answer: No

The Airforce One Movie answer: Yes
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:40 pm

I know the movie Air Force One was complete crap, massive galleys the length of the plane's belly, a retractable ramp in the tail, god knows what else.

So definitely no little egg-shaped padded cell for Dubya, with parachute attached? In other words (and at risk of being investigated for asking such a sensitive question), if AF1 is going down, the Commander In Grief is going down too?
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:12 am

A friend of mine that used to work here at Horizon previously worked at Boeing and did some work on AF1...no, no Pod.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:10 am

How many of you have been in AF1 ??
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:19 am

As much as it sounds like a rediculas thing to have, it very well may be there. It may be a classified thing where the people who have seen it or worked on it are not allowed to talk about it, i dont think the Gov't would want the entire world to know there's an escape pod. Although they had one in the movie so if the gov't let them produce that maybe it's not there.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:13 am

No one here can say for a fact that it does, or does not, because nobody could possibly know, for a fact, the answer to that question.

All you can do is postulate. I postulate in the affirmative.

Air Force One has two missions, 1) transport the president, and 2) protect the life of the president at all costs.

Considering the length the secret service goes to protect the president and the myriad of unseen measures taken, an escape pod would be a logical final line of defence. Keep in mind that there is a large cavity in the belly of a 747 that is not accounted for in public information known about the plane. I think it's safe to say that it is not filled up with the baggage of 400 tourists. Something is in that space.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:28 am

Hmmm... has nailed the reason why I think there is a pod: "Considering the length the secret service goes to protect the president and the myriad of unseen measures taken..." Bingo. I mean, planes occasionally crash. I mean, if it can happen on JAL123, it can happen on AF1. So you'd think there would be something. Hmmm...'s observations about the layout of the plane and this mysterious unaccounted-for space are also interesting. Thanks for the replies all, btw.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:38 am

Pod or not, who cares.

But I'd venture to say there are always onboard at least a couple of Secret Service/Military types who are rated as tandem skydivers.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:38 am

Keep in mind that such a pod would require some means of departing the aircraft. Unless said departure includes blowing out a section of fuselage
Then again.. That aft cargo door....... hmmmm...
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:42 am

Even if there was an escape pod, the public wouldn't know about it. The fact that the escape pod was shown in Air Force One (the film) leads me to believe that there could be one in real life.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:06 am

I worked on AF-1 as a Structural Engineer at Boeing Wichita, KS. I was never inside the aircraft, but I was in the hanger next to the airplane when it was being modified.
Both AF-1 aircraft were flown to Wichita after production in Seattle. In Wichita a new hanger was built to house the aircraft as it was modified. I was involved in meetings that discussed the modifications to the production 747-200 aircraft. These discussions included the dual APUs in the tailcone, the in-flight refueling system, the ground stairs that allow boarding from ground level, the infra-red counter measures (IRCM) pods mounted on each engine pylon, the medical equipment in the surgical suite, the qualification of the office equipment in the aircraft, and the ability to load a casket into the aft lower baggage compartment.
At no time did I ever hear of an escape pod. Watching the movie was the first time I ever heard of this.
The forward lower baggage compartment is utilized for ground entry to the aircraft using the ground airstairs. The aft baggage compartment is used for storage of the various equipment, including the necessary food and water supplies, baggage for the 86 passengers, etc.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:18 am

Of what use would such a pod be?

In the event of an emergency, the plane will try to land. Blowing out a pod with the prez inside puts the plane and the prez at more risk.

In the event of a catastrophic emergency, how is the prez to get into the pod in time? What is the guarantee that the pod can be safely ejected or ejected at all?

The pod is fiction. I've not been in AF1 but I've been close enough to it to know that there are no unusual doors on it other than the mods that Citationjet mentioned. Don't believe me? Look in Dorr's new book on AF1.

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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:22 am

I dont know about a pod, but I am willing to bet that there are several parachutes on board. I find it hard to belive that there is no escape for the prez if the plane is going down.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:35 am

How could you parachute out of a 747? I'd imagine that the rear entry door shown in the movie is equally impossible. Wouldn't the wind speed be too fast to even attempt an exit?
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:38 am

There is a 737-500 inside AF1 so that if the aircraft gets into difficulty everyone piles in the 735 and lands safely on the ground.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:42 am

As a reminder, AF-1 is not a particular aircraft, it is the call sign of any Air Force plane carrying the president. Just as Marine 1 is the call sign of any Marine aircraft carrying the president. So when the president is flying an Air Force Gulfstream, it is Air Force One.

I don't believe the Gulfstream would have an escape pod. Also the Gulfstream has only one entry/exit door on the front, left side of the aircraft. Exiting this door with a parachute would put you into the left engine.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:54 am

Yes we're well aware that the callsign is AF-1 and not the plane, that's only been covered what 500 times here? However it is popular useage to refer to the presidential 747's as "Air Force 1" because that's how everyone recognizes them, and that's how it is being used in this case. Don't worry you'll have plenty of other opportunities to display your aviation wits.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 5:24 am

Slightly off topic...
One of the two AF-1 747s flew into McConnell AFB, Wichita, KS on Tuesday of this week. Most likely for maintenance at Boeing Wichita facilities.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:23 am

I have seen the Air Force One/VC-25A (the 747 version) safety card, and there was no mention of an escape pod. I'm sure it would have had it on their if there was one.

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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 6:29 am

hehe I don't think it would be on an emergency card then all the journalists would know about it and they can't keep their mouths shut.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 7:36 am

This thread gets me all nostalgic.....

Been on a tour at Andrews 10 years ago of the old VC-137 (707) AF1 and people were just joking about the fictional pod. (I also took a leak in one of the lavs in one of the Gulfstreams...sshhhhh!)

Apart from the AF1 film, there was also a pod in `Escape from New York', tho I prefered the shot/idea of landing a sailplane on the WTC roof...which is what I used to do on Flight Simulator when I wasn't crashing into it like most people, pre-911.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:45 am

An escape "pod" is not necessary. The Office of the Presidency is more important than any person that holds it. That's why there is a line of succession.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 10:52 am

Does Dubya fly around in a Gulfstream on occasion?
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:16 pm

Clipper makes a good point. The president isn't important. The Office of the President is what is importance. Continuity of government is what's key.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:23 pm

"No one here can say for a fact that it does, or does not, because nobody could possibly know, for a fact, the answer to that question."

Would you consider the probability that someone on this site can indeed say that there is not an escape pod on the VC-25 and was not on the VC-137?


There is a member here that is a retired presidential pilot. Now he will know who I am. Oh well. He deserves the shock.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:35 pm

The president isn't important. The Office of the President is what is importance. Continuity of government is what's key.

I disagree. If that were true, then there would be no need for the Secret Service. If the President gets shot, just give the football over to the vice president and you have "continuity of government."

As long as the president is breathing and coherent, they will do everything to save him, because he is the President. And because an once of prevention is equal to a pound of cure, getting him out of plane that may not make it, would only be logical.

Nobody here can claim to know the secrets of AF1. Those that do are just making up stories. This is the internet remember. And airliners.net on top of that. Anyone who really had classified knowledge of any pod system, would not be at liberty to reveal such information under penalty of law. That is what oaths are for. And oaths are only for people who need to know. An escape pod system would only be on a need-to-know-basis. And there is nobody on this board that would need to know.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:38 pm

As already stated an escape pod of some kind if extremely unlikely.

The only US aircraft to feature one was the F-111 and in that one the entire cabin was mounted with rocket engines and parachutes.
That's the only way you can get out in time...

Say the aircraft is starting to break up due to a missile hit in the wingbox.
The presidential section is in the nose of the aircraft.
During wartime action there will be no reporters in back, but there will probably be all kinds of staff there.
President needs to make his way from the front of the aircraft to the back, down some secret stairway and to his pod.
He needs to cross part of the aircraft that's probably on fire...
All the time there are other people trying to get out as well, in an emergency a lot of people won't care if the pod is marked "presidential use only", they'll get in and use it.
So you need enough pods for everyone.
And there's not even a door or fuselage section in the aircraft for one, let alone room for 100...
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:55 pm

Very well said "Imisspeidmont". I have no doubt that my former co-worker that was previously at Boeing would lie about it. AF-1 has no escape Pod. Nuff said.

 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:02 pm

I disagree. An escape system would exist for the President, any family members, and a secret service officer or two. Nobody else. And if the design of the system was such that the destruction of AF1 was required to release the pod, then that would be in keeping with secret service history and traditions. Airplanes are expendable. So are Secret Service agents, journalists, pilots, and hangers-on.

If the situation allows time for the pod system to be activated, then it will have served its purpose. If there is no time, then nothing was lost by implementing it into the design. Knowing what's inside the deepest recesses of that 747, is like knowing what is inside the deepest tunnels of Area 51. It is unlikely that the President himself would have that knowledge. He would only be informed if it was to be used. Remember that US presidents eventually become members of the public again having taken no oaths of secrecy. If they don't need to know, so much the better.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:37 pm

No escape pod, but the seat cushion can be used as a flotation devise.  Smile
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:50 pm

All this talk of the plane being destroyed if you had any sort of "blow away" section or anything else that would permit an escape pod made me think of the following couple of flights. Looks to me like there are a couple places you could have an escape pod blast right through the structure without causing a catastrophic end to everyone else on board  Smile

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This United Airways 747 had just taken off from Honolulu and was at 23,000 ft over the Pacific when the forward cargo door flew open, taking a 15 X 10 ft section of the fuselage with it. Nine passengers were lost during the initial decompression. The remaining 343 people on board evacuated safely when the aircraft successfully landed back at Honolulu.

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Perhaps the most publicised example of a cabin decompression due to a failure of the fuselage was the Aloha Airways 737 which lost a third of its roof in flight, due to metal fatigue in the aircraft’s structure, which resulted in the loss of only one life, a stewardess who was walking through the cabin at the time.








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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:52 pm

First of all, "Air Force 1" refers to *any* fixed-wing aircraft carrying the President of the United States, not just an Air Force aircraft. "Marine 1" refers to any rotary-wing aircraft (helecopter). It doesn't matter who's flying it. If it's an Iraqi MiG-29 trainer, then it's Air Force 1. If it's a French Alouette III, then it's Marine 1.

Second, there are those who could answer this question. The likelihood is, they won't. If the aircraft does not have an escape pod, they will not say because that tells anyone who wants to kill the President that they can do it while he's aboard AF1. If it does, then they won't way it because the potential assassin would simply sabotage the escape pod so that if they use it, the Chief Executive would still die.

And just because you worked on the VC-25A design doesn't mean you'd know. There were people who worked on such aircraft as the U-2 and SR-71 who didn't know what they were working on. There were scientists and technicians working on the Manhattan Project who thought they were working on a boat and those who thought it was a hydro-electric project.

Very few people "in the know" are going to come forward with a straight answer to this question.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Fri Apr 04, 2003 4:57 pm

*snips bunch of stuff about UA and AQ*

Looks like that AQ ship had some other issues as well and this was an improvement. It would seem the slide didn't inflate and the people were practically jumping out the exit into the arms of a rescuer.

From the appearance of their planes I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often.

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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:29 pm

First of all, "Air Force 1" refers to *any* fixed-wing aircraft carrying the President of the United States, not just an Air Force aircraft. "Marine 1" refers to any rotary-wing aircraft (helecopter). It doesn't matter who's flying it. If it's an Iraqi MiG-29 trainer, then it's Air Force 1. If it's a French Alouette III, then it's Marine 1.

Incorrect.

AirForce 1 is any United States Air Force aircraft the president is on at that moment.
Marine 1 is any United States Marine Corps aircraft the president is on at the moment.
I think it would be Navy 1 were he on a US Navy aircraft and Army 1 for a US Army aircraft.
A US civilian aircraft becomes Executive 1.
Were the president to fly a non-US aircraft, callsign would be up to the operator (as it always is).
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Sat Apr 05, 2003 2:35 pm

"Anyone who really had classified knowledge of any pod system, would not be at liberty to reveal such information under penalty of law."

Somewhat true but when my buddy laughed at the thought while watching AF1, I did not get the feeling that he was putting on an act. In fact when I asked directly , he said no. When you spend time with enough miltary and ex-military men as I do you learn that we say no freely when it is no, and "I can't tell you" when we cannot confirm or deny.

And this:

"The president isn't important. The Office of the President is what is importance. Continuity of government is what's key.

I disagree. If that were true, then there would be no need for the Secret Service. If the President gets shot, just give the football over to the vice president and you have "continuity of government."

As long as the president is breathing and coherent, they will do everything to save him, because he is the President. And because an once of prevention is equal to a pound of cure, getting him out of plane that may not make it, would only be logical."

The office of the President is indeed far more important than the man (or woman in the future) holding it. Sure the sitting president is protected as best possible within reasonable means. But the US government is structured in such a manner that the loss of 1, 2 3 or more people will not cripple it.

That is the beauty of our Constitution.

No pod.

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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:03 am

The B-58 Hustler supersonic bomber had individual escape pods for each of its three crewmembers. The pods were such that the crewmembers had to be "sized" for the pods, and if you didn't fit the pod, you didn't fly the B-58.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:22 am

The B-1A also had the same type of ejection pod system that the F-111 had. The -B, however, reverted to standard ejection seats.

Elwood - the S-3B Viking is a fixed-wing aircraft. When Bush flew on the S-3 to the USS Abraham Lincoln, the aircraft used the callsign "Navy One" rather than the standard tactical callsign for that S-3 squadron. It's dependent upon the operator, as Jwenting pointed out - NOT whether an aircraft is fixed-wing or rotary wing. Hell, a president could be in the backseat of a Marine F/A-18 and it would be Marine One, not Air Force One.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:17 am

Also, the XB-70 Valkyrie, one of my favorites, had individual escape pods that ejected. On the fatal inflight collision between the XB and an F-104(Joe Walkers), eventually Al White ejected. His co pilot Carl Cross was not so lucky.. being unable to move the pilot seat back into the pod under the heavy G loads. He unfortunately went down with the aircraft. Al White survived, though he forgot to deploy the landing cushion beneath the pod and so physically left a butt print in the metal seat from the hard landing.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:31 am

is like knowing what is inside the deepest tunnels of Area 51.

I would wonder what's down there too since, according to most credible accounts there are no major bunkers or tunnels at Area 51.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:10 am

its really not logical to have a pod unless the president is in in the whole time. otherwise it a FATAL emergency happened there is no way in hell he could reach it wherever it is
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:28 pm

Valkyrie had no escape pods but rather special protective clamshell like devices mounted on the ejection seat which would have closed in the event of an ejection to protect the crewmembers from the extreme speed (and I guess the low atmospheric pressure at high altitude) during ejection.
B-58 used a similar system.

escape pods like the F-111 used (and the B-1A prototypes) where an entire section of the aircraft is disconnected and blown out with everyone inside (and having its own engines and flight controls however limited) have never been repeated.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 1:45 pm

Wow...talk about beating a dead horse....lol Big grin

Seems to me that those that want to believe that there's a pod on the VC-25 will never be convinced otherwise, less a personal tour of the jet.  Smile
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:17 pm

Several years ago, just after Clinton was in office, I had the opportunity to tour AF-1. One of the pilots had gone through pilot training with me and we had kept in touch through the years. He is now flying for CX.

But, I was given a great tour by the crew of AF-1. I can guarantee you there is no escape pod on the aircraft. There are quite a few unique things on the airplane such as the ability to enter the aft cargo compartment in flight, entry through the fwd cargo compartment on the port side of the aircraft. There is even an operating room located in the aircraft.

Anyhow, just my 2 cents worth
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Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:39 pm

Gentlemen,

This horse may not be dead, but it's definitely asking for the pistol.

Either AF1 (VC-25) has an escape pod or it doesn't. Ask any public affairs rep from the 89th AW at Andrews AFB and they will tell you that it does not. Same goes with Boeing tech reps, AF MX, crewmembers, etc, etc. Could they be lying to keep the "secret" under wraps? Sure anything is possible. But is it likely? No. While it's sort of cool to think that the military and govt thinks up (or steals) all this great stuff and keeps it under wraps for security reasons, alot of it is just bull**it conspiracy theories. The military has enough trouble keeping totally cool things like alien ships, the formula for converting water to oil, and the Olson twins nude centerfolds hidden from public view. Whereas the VC-25 is anything but. It's one thing to keep the comm. room and other areas with sensitive equipment under wraps, it's quite another to have a friggin escape pod mounted on the thing for all to wonder what those symmetrical explosive bolts, with the signs that say "DANGER: EXPLOSIVES INSTALLED" are for.

Just remember, the AF bought toilet seats for $600.00 and supposedly had the coffee pot on the C-17 rated to 9 g's. An escape pod for the VC-25 makes too much sense to be true.
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 3:49 pm

I heard the retrofittled the shuttle attachment mounts from the orbiter ferry aircraft to the VC-25, so that if needed the president can go up in the shuttle and be shot into space to escape.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 4:16 pm

So that's what those mounting brackets were for......

On a lighter note, I wonder how long it'll be before some member suggests that President Bush should be shot into space.....
 
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:11 pm

I don't know about bush, but it is too bad we didn't do that with Clinton.
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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:02 pm

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RE: So Does AF1 Have An Escape Pod Or Not?

Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:06 am

Of course AF1 has an escape pod.
And the hose on a refueling boom is big enough to climb down on a ladder.
And isn't it amazing how much Harrison Ford looks like Bill Clinton. Yeah! and he looks like Bush too! And Calvin Coolidge.

I mean, have you ever seen Harrison Ford and Calvin Coolidge at the same time?

Thousands of Americans without ties to the White House or the 89th have had an opportunity to walk around and through the various presidential airplanes over the years. I was permitted to walk all over beneath 27000 once, and then was shown all through the interior. The guys are security conscious, but not particularly secretive. For sure the VC-137 did not have any unexplained external hatches or doors. A pod would have required an opening.

An escape pod is not a very good idea. Escape pods, if you want to call them that do not have a particularly high success rate in the aircraft mentioned above. Even the more common ejection seats, where the occupant is in position, strapped to the thing at all times during flight, have a level of risk nearly as high as the emergency that would drive you to reach for the handles.

On the other hand, well-trained pilots do have a pretty good history of getting planes safely down in emergencies.



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