charleslp
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Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 10:00 am

I know that the United States has all of the advanced avionics and things like that while Russia has some of the most maneuverable aircraft out there. Europe has a big mix of warplanes (some American-made aircraft, Dassults, Saabs, Panavias, etc.)

Here is a list of American Aircraft

F-14 Tomcat
F-15 Eagle
F-16 Falcon
F-18 Hornet/Super Hornet
F-117 Nighthawk
F-22 Raptor (to be in service soon)
AH-64 Apache (plus variants)
B-52 Flying Fortress (a.k.a "BUFF")
B-1 Lancer
B-2 Spirit
S-3A Viking
Sikorsky Helicopters (there are many of them)
AV-8B Harrier
KC-### Tankers
C-5 Galaxy
CH-47 Chinook
C-17 Globemaster
U-2
SR-71 Blackbird (No longer in service)
Air Force One (President's 747)
C-130 Hercules
Plus many other things that I probably don't know about


Which country do you think has the best warplanes?


 
PPGMD
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:04 pm

Nellis just got a full compliment of F-22's (at least that's what's making it down the grape vine to me).
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:31 pm

Not to seem partial (God knows I've practically been raised through the USN and the Army due to family members being officers in those armed forces), but I truly do believe the US has some of the best military aircraft/forces out there. Just to add a few aircraft to your list that you missed:

P-3 Orion
C-9A/B (DC-9-31/-32)
A-10 Thunderbolt
E-2 Hawkeye
C-141 Starlifter
KC-135
KC-10 Extender
C-40 Clipper (73G)
CH-46 Sea Knight
SH-60B Seahawk and other -60 variants (Blackhawk, Jayhawk, Pavehawk)
EA-6B Prowler
E-3 Sentry
E-8 JSTARS
E-6B Mercury
RC-135 Cobra
767AWACS
EF-111 Raven (not sure if there are any of these Air Force birds still in service, but as of a year or two ago there were)

I'm probably missing a few....but that covers it pretty well. (Ow my brain hurts....had to think of all of those different desinators)

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:34 pm

PPGMD,

Not so sure about that "full compliment" of F-22's. Hell, I'm not really sure what full compliment means. However, let's not forget that before the Raptor can be employed, the pilots must be trained...and that's gonna happen at Tyndall AFB.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 12:41 pm

If you wish to find out more information about different aircraft from different countries visit

By the way, the only country I know to have the F-111 is Australia. Plus, Germany, Italy, and Britain have the Panavia Tornado, which is probably similar to the American F-14 Tomcat.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:27 pm

Yes, the USA removed the 111 from service.
Tornado is not similar to the F-14 at all. The IDS (GR) version is a cross between the Su-24 and the F-15E, the ADF (F) version similar to the F-15C.

767 AWACS isn't in service, and hasn't been ordered by the US. AFAIK the only countries that have it on order are Japan and possibly Turkey.
EF-111 was removed from service in 1992 or so, reasoning being that all future wars would involve the Navy with their carriers as well and the EA-6B could do the job quite nicely thank you. Personally I don't agree with that, as the EA-6 can't keep up with the Strike Eagles and F-16s for escort jamming (it's main use is barrier jamming), and there won't always be a carrier available seeing the drawback in the carrier force.

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:35 pm

I would say that the Tornado IDS is the equivelent of the F15E

The ADF was designed as a pure interceptor, the last one that was in US service was the F-106. But the Tornado is much more advanced the the Delta Dart.

BTW: I understand that Tornado was one of the finalists for the CF-101 replacement but lost out on money reasons to the CF-18.

I don't agree with the removal of the Raven from US service either, I blame Clinton's cutbacks for that. With many retired F-111 airframes for spares that aircraft would have been operational for years





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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Sun Apr 06, 2003 1:48 pm

My mistake on the Tornado comparison. The F-111 should have been kept in service because you never know when "big trouble" might arise and an aircraft carrier might be out of range of the "trouble."
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:34 am

Currently one F/A-22 at Nellis for DIOT&E. Nellis will eventually get approx 9 aircraft for the evaluation. The rest of the planes delivered this year will go to Tyndall (starting in Oct/Nov '03). 1st operational wing will be at Langley AFB hopefully in 2005. Keep you fingers crossed...
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 10:38 am

America

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:48 pm

Rwalsh,

I think they got the rest of the 9 because I have seen video with at least 4 F-22's taxing by.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 1:05 am

Most certainly America.

Although I'm quite Proud that Sweden has been building many of its own military aircraft for decades.

Viggen, Gripen, Saab 105 and the S100B still in service and retired a/c such as Draken, Lansen, Tunnan and various props, all made in Sweden, with a population less than 9 million.

Among the imports we have C-130's and a whole bunch of choppers.

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:05 am

I read somewhere that one of the Swedish-made aircraft could land and take off from a highway.

 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 5:38 am

Any a/c can operate off of a highway provided the roadbed has the strength to support the a/c and it is long enough/striaght enough.

Many European Air Forces routinely trained on using highways as alternate landing strips with hard shelters hiddden in woods alongside the roadway.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 6:12 am

Charleslp, Sweden's last three fighters (Draken, Viggen and Gripen) were all designed to operate off bases made up by roads. I've seen it be done, and I can tell you it's pretty impressive.

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:20 am

You guys forgot the C141!!
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
Most certainly America



Quoting Glenn (Reply 9):
America

Don't you guys mean, United States? America is the whole continent.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 5):
767 AWACS isn't in service, and hasn't been ordered by the US. AFAIK the only countries that have it on order are Japan and possibly Turkey.

Japan has had their 767 AWACS delivered, and they are currently in service
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:36 am

Quick answer....the US military has the most effective air force in the world. The most high quality aircraft out there, and at the least they are unbeaten in overall aerial combat since they went into business.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
I would say that the Tornado IDS is the equivelent of the F15E

Not really. It is inferior to the F-15E in payload, speed, maneuverability, radar, self defense capability, and other areas.

Quoting Charleslp (Reply 12):
I read somewhere that one of the Swedish-made aircraft could land and take off from a highway.

So can other airplanes, but I see someone else has corrected the potential misconception. Same with the 767AWACs issue.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 2:19 pm

About a year ago some USAF F-15Cs from the 3rd wing Elmendorf AFB, Alaska were deployed to Gwalior Air Force Station in India. They took part in the exercise "Cope India". This was the first time the F-15 went up against the Su-30 MKI Flanker. While the Eagle drivers didnt get "demolished" the USAF pilots where very impressed about the situational awareness of the IAF pilots in their Flankers. Interesting.

Even more reason to bring in the F/A-22, with that I think we know who will have air supremacy. Closely followed by the Eurofighter.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 3:15 pm

Quoting USAF757300 (Reply 19):
About a year ago some USAF F-15Cs from the 3rd wing Elmendorf AFB, Alaska were deployed to Gwalior Air Force Station in India. They took part in the exercise "Cope India". This was the first time the F-15 went up against the Su-30 MKI Flanker. While the Eagle drivers didnt get "demolished" the USAF pilots where very impressed about the situational awareness of the IAF pilots in their Flankers. Interesting.

People keep throwing this out without the rest of the Info, the attacks were all within visual range and involved a US 4 ship Vs an Indian 12 ship formation (which is the odds the US train for but should still be noted). While the F-15s were beaten in some exercises the circumstances were very suspect, I would not go advocating the downfall of the USAF just yet!

As for the thread USAF by far, although could see the RAAF up there, just need another 4000 or so aircraft!
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 3:29 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 20):
People keep throwing this out without the rest of the Info, the attacks were all within visual range and involved a US 4 ship Vs an Indian 12 ship formation (which is the odds the US train for but should still be noted). While the F-15s were beaten in some exercises the circumstances were very suspect, I would not go advocating the downfall of the USAF just yet

There has been a lot of milage made because of the "results" of the excercise.

I think it is safe to say that neither side was showing their best tricks.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 4:13 pm

USAF and USN by light years, has the best by test.

However, lets not discount aircraft like:

Su-30
MiG25 in it's day
Tornado
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:21 pm

I woudl say the US have the best warplanes and the largest number, too.

Interesting is who comes second, I would say either Israel, France, U.k. and Japan ( in no particiluar order). I don´t know about Russia, they still have a large airfleet and some very good planes but due to money issues most of them stay on the ground.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:33 pm

Tyndall has a full compliment of Raptors now. The F/A-22 is also operational at Langley now with 4 of the aircraft currently here.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting DeltaMD11 (Reply 2):
RC-135 Cobra

Just a minor correction - "Cobra" would be fully "Cobra Ball" for the RC-135S
version of the RC fleet.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:08 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
I would say that the Tornado IDS is the equivelent of the F15E

In general the IDS is smaller and lighter than the F-15E. Its capability depends on the country it flies for. For instance UK's Tornado GR.4 has been frequently updated throughout the last years and is compareable to the F-15E in most aspects beside weapons load. Today it is hardly comparable to those from Germany and Italy, which only received minor upgrades and are lacking FLIR, Night-Vison and the adaption of many precision-guided weapons.

Quoting Columba (Reply 23):
I woudl say the US have the best warplanes ...

But they also spent by far the most money on these items. Technologically the F-22 might be the best future combat aircraft. But if you consider unit price and TCO the Eurofighter might be the better choice as it is more than two times cheaper and far more versatile in terms of multi-role capabilities, weapons load and many flight characteristics. The F-22 has some advantages in avionics and stealth charcteristics mainly because it was designed as pure air-superiority fighter aircraft.

In addition looking for the best warplane in this regards depends on where you are living. The US would never export the F-22 in the same configuration as they are bought by the USAF. Not even to NATO allies ... . Therefore from a European perspective the best warplane is the Eurofighter and aside that no European government would nowadays spent tens of billions of €'s on the F-22 unless Boeing does not commit on appropriate countertrade (something they simply cannot do at an appropriate scale) or agree on licensed production of the F-22 in Europe.

[Edited 2005-05-30 18:20:44]
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting Charleslp (Thread starter):
Air Force One (President's 747)

the president's 747 is a VC-25

Quoting Columba (Reply 23):
and the largest number, too.

actually I think the PLAAF (china) may have the largest number.. I think the difference is like 10 aircraft though... so its either the USA or China with Russia in third

that being said I strongly believe that the USAF has the best Warplanes although the manueverability of some russian fifghters might be slightly better...

[Edited 2005-05-30 18:29:57]
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:01 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 17):
Quoting Staffan (Reply 11):
Most certainly America



Quoting Glenn (Reply 9):
America

Don't you guys mean, United States? America is the whole continent.

You dredged up a 2 year old dead thread for that?  Confused
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:38 am

Quoting Ozair (Reply 20):

People keep throwing this out without the rest of the Info, the attacks were all within visual range and involved a US 4 ship Vs an Indian 12 ship formation (which is the odds the US train for but should still be noted). While the F-15s were beaten in some exercises the circumstances were very suspect, I would not go advocating the downfall of the USAF just yet!

a) The Su-30MKIs were not used in Cope India. The ones that flew were -30MKs, which were just 2 seater export versions of the base Su-27s. The MKIs are generally not displayed to anyone, except on a static line at home.
b) The DACT exercises also included MiG-21BiS and Mirage 2000s. The 4 vs 12 games primarily involved MiG-21s, which, for all the negative press attributed to them in recent years, are still potent beasts, particularly the upgraded BiS versions. The IAF also had the benefit of similar exercises with the French prior to CI2004, and they obviously learned plenty of lessons from the frogs  Smile

It would be a mistake to make sweeping conclusions based on Cope India. It demonstrated certain results under certain conditions. The MKI is a comparable beast to the Eagle, no doubt. But the IAF doesn't have the kind of support system the USAF does - AWACS for example.

The strength of the USAF/USN isn't in just one or more aircraft - others have comparable fighters in various categories; its in how they all mesh together as a system. The IAF is only just getting into the game, doing high endurance MAR runs between the Agra/Gwalior fortress bases and the tri-forces base in the Andamans for starters.

I started a thread on CI2004 when it was on. Should be on the forum archives.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 26):
In addition looking for the best warplane in this regards depends on where you are living. The US would never export the F-22 in the same configuration as they are bought by the USAF. Not even to NATO allies ... . Therefore from a European perspective the best warplane is the Eurofighter and aside that no European government would nowadays spent tens of billions of €'s on the F-22 unless Boeing does not commit on appropriate countertrade (something they simply cannot do at an appropriate scale) or agree on licensed production of the F-22 in Europe.

Lockheed is the prime contractor, not Boeing.

I don't think they could ever work out a way of getting the development costs worked into a exportable F-22's price tag while keeping it low enough so that it would be a viable purchase option, unless a huge portion of the development budget went into features that would be stripped out for an export version.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:49 am

I read in a book recently that the US may have the most advanced planes and all kinds of whizz-bang technology, but what are we going to do when China can put 8000 aircraft in the air in a single day?


That said, I would say US airpower tops the list in terms of overall effectiveness.
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:51 am

Simple answer to a silly question: My country!

I like the USN's fleet of aircraft in Gulf War 1 than I do in the current Iraqi OIF. Sure, we have better tech now as far as gadgets, sensors, and the F-14 A/G equipment are concerned, but we had better aircraft in Desert Storm.

All things equal, I'll take Grumman's Tomcats and Intruders over McDD Hornets and Super Hornets.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:52 am

I think everyone is also overlooking a huge component of what makes military airplanes effective. That is the aircrew. The US military has the best trained pilots with the most effective and realistic exercises. Keep in mind the Luftwaffe was putting rookie pilots into the likes of me-262 and fw-190s. Who were then being shot down rather quickly by the far superior pilots of the allies flying spitfires and my ole favorite the p-51.
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:36 am

If we're talking about the crew, then I'd say Israel would be way up there. They don't have a huge Air Force like the US, but they certainly are effective if the decide to use it.

Well I'd love to say Switzerland, but we only have like 15 F/A-18 and a few F-5's left flying, so we'd be pretty lost if someone decided to attack us Wink

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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:42 pm

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 30):
Lockheed is the prime contractor, not Boeing.

Whoops. My fault, sorry. Apparently I missed to look it up properly ... .
 
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RE: Which Country Has The Best Warplanes?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:32 pm

Quoting Charleslp (Thread starter):
B-52 Flying Fortress (a.k.a "BUFF")

Flying Fortress was the B-17. B-52 is the Stratofortress.
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