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Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 5:00 am

Hello,

This weekend an AA 767-300 came to NXX from overseas bringing troops home from Europe...the routing was FRA-PHL-NXX, with about 2 hours on the ground at PHL...the weather was fine for flying based on the fact that other military traffic was active at the same time...my thoughts are that even though it is being operated for the military, the AA 767-300 is a civilian registered airliner (with a civilian crew) and I would guess that it still had to go through Customs and Immigration formalities at a certified port of entry, and PHL is the closest capable airport to NXX with such facilities...can anyone comment on this???

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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 7:54 am

When I came back from a deployment about 3-4 years ago, our "customs" inspection basically amounted to an agent smiling at us and collecting some form at the bottom of the airstairs as we deplaned at the home station.

We did do a fuel stop in the states, but we were not allowed off of the plane, I'm assuming for "customs" reasons.
 
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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 8:05 am

When did this flight land, I drove by Willow Grove NAS on Saturday.

Didn't see the AA 767-300, would have loved to seen it.

Greg have you ever noticed the "spotters" area along that main road that runs along the fence, with the park benches and plaques.

Was that ever opened to the public, or has that always been behind the fence.

And how big are Willow Groves runways, the one I saw looked about 6,500ft.
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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 9:10 am

AMC airlift airplanes go through customs. You can bet contract airplanes do also.
 
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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 9:16 am

STT,

I got this information from another local enthusiast, apparently it arrived at NXX around 2 PM on Saturday and left about 6 PM...regarding the spotters area, it has been intermittently open and closed following 9/11...lately its been closed since the Arkia 753 missile attack...the barricades there lead me to think that it wont be reopened for a while...NXX has one runway, 15/33, with a length of 8000 ft., so its capable of taking anything the US military operates pretty much...we've had a VC-25 come in on several occasions...most recently in 1999 I believe...

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Tue May 13, 2003 9:21 am

JohnM,

Do they land at civilian port of entry airports or does the Customs Service send agents out to military airfields for the inspection??

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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 9:50 am

Greg.
Dover for example has its own customs inspectors. They have somebody here 24/7. An aiplane lands, nobody gets off(except for scanner), he goes onboard and does his customs thing. Frequently the USDA inspector travels along with the customs guy. I know you are thinking... this guy can't be overworked. My thoughts exactly. I don't know all of his duties, but what he does on the flightline is not maxing him out. As you can imagine, this place is not exactly Philly Intl, so I would consider it a "good" job. After a few minutes, he ambles down the ladder, and maintenance, fleet service, aerial port, etc, can run upstairs and do what they need to do. I would be quite certain that McGoo, Charleston and the like have the same set up as us. And for the manditory anti C-17 statement, the Charleston guy is still waiting for his first customer, no C-17 has made it over the pond all the way to SC!
 
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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Tue May 13, 2003 11:33 am

I was there around that time Saturday, it was raining. The place looked real quiet, I only noticed about 4 P-3s and 4 C-130s on the ramp.

It was my first time there, I was suprised how small it was.

Makes McGuire AFB look like Hartsfield.
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RE: Craf Flights Clear Customs On Return To US Or No?

Wed May 14, 2003 1:18 am

Howdy,
As I just got back from Saudi, and I've done the customs 'Richard Waltz' before allow me to share my stories. The first standard AF answer is it depends. Different stations have different inspectors. Coming back on the E-3 into Tinker, we had this little fat guy who was famously dicky, and got on the jet opened everything, and went through all bags, always, it would take 2-3 hours. Other stops amount to opening one bag, and handing in your paperwork. All flights in must be checked including cargo, it is the amount of checking that depends on the station you arrive at.

Military ports, often have Security Forces that do the inspection. I was a Cargo Courier coming back from Saudi this weekend, and the C-141 I was on stoped in Pease ANGB, NH, where we did customs, with Army and AF cops. Last year on an ATA rotator we did customs in Bangor maine, they made us unload every bag. On another rotator we just handed in forms, and were off at BWI.

The Saudi Customs guys are the same, some are lazy and lookin the top of one bag, other go through everything, so that is why I say it depends, but every craft and cargo is supposed to clear customs, in the arriving country, unless it is a short fuel stop at which time, you might be marshalled inside the plane or birdcage.

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