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Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 1:57 am

....of course, it's to the Military, but still Big grin
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 2:20 am

 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:13 am

a little order to keep the production line running.

The 767 still looks cool.

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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 4:48 am

In all probability the 767 will be the platform the Airforce uses for all it's 707 platform variants - IE AWACS, Joint STARS, tankers (100 leased already and hundreds more needed) Boeing could be looking at 500 767's over the next 10 years.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:21 am


Hi!

Well a sale is always a sale!!! About the 767 tanker version I really don't think USAF will need the 500 in the next few years. I believe that USAF will not replace the C-135 family in a one-to-one basis. We can't forget that the C-135 came when the air forces looked to numbers to be the most powerfull ones, things changed, look for example for the B-2 builted, not a lot but at the same time very efficient. So I think more than the 100 767's will not be built, probably a dozen more, or in the best two dozens.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:21 am

So the air force also wants an underpowered and under-ranged aircraft? Good for them!  Smile
 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:22 am

I wonder why the 764er wasn't more successful?

You'd think more than DL and CO would be interested. Or was it Airbus that helped kill it.  Sad

I like the raked wingtips, this is probably the most interesting 767 variant. I'd like to see it in more airlines.
 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:26 am

Aloha717200,
There is a very simple reason why the 764 has not been more sucesful. It cannot carry 2 LD3 cargo containers side by side. Also I am not sure if a 764ER has ever been launched, but I know that the lack on range on the 764 has hurt it as well.
 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:28 am

I thought the raked wingtips were supposed to increase the range beyond that of the 763. Hmmm, I guess I'm a little rusty on my 767 knowledge.
 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 5:41 am

"I really don't think USAF will need the 500 in the next few years. I believe that USAF will not replace the C-135 family in a one-to-one basis." "So I think more than the 100 767's will not be built, probably a dozen more, or in the best two dozens."

That's correct (sort of), the current USAF inventory for KC-135 tankers stands at about 550. However some of these are used as spares etc, also the KC-767 will offer more payload capability than the current KC-135s.

The outgoing head of the Defense Departments procurement recently stated in an interview that the Air Force will not require 550 KC767s, although "several hundred" more KC-767s will be ordered after the initial 100 KC-767 order.

I read somewhere (I'll try to find it if anyone's interested) a breakdown of the KC-135 replacement plan, I think the target for KC-767 procurement is about 400-440 aircraft. Fewer than the current 550 KC-135 fleet but with greater payloads and with younger air frames more refueling capacity will be able to be deployed with shorter notice than what is currently available with the older KC-135 fleet.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:29 am

This is old news. Glad to see that the order for the first one has been finalized, there are at least 9 and up to 29 more to come.

TransSwede: Since when does range matter when you have air-to-air refuelling capability?

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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:39 am

I'm glad to see this plane getting some more orders, even if it's not for commercial service. I hope they take all 29 options as spacepope has mentioned.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 10:37 am

Also I am not sure if a 764ER has ever been launched, but I know that the lack on range on the 764 has hurt it as well

Actually, all existing 764s are -ERs.... a longer-ranged model, the 764ERX [764LR], was cancelled in 2001 along with the 747X. They would have shared the same engine.

As stated before; the biggest "flaw" in the 767 family, relative to the A332, is that they cannot carry two LD3s side by side. Limited range is another factor.... and also why the 764ER has never won a realistic battle against the A332.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 11:30 am

And despite this, some of our American members whine like JT9D's in full throttle over Airbus receiving subsidies!

Boeing is also being subsidised by these military contracts. Lets not forget! The 767 "lease" deal for example is blatant example of how taxpayers money is used to fund some companies. Pathetic indeed!

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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:01 pm

Hello, this is not a subsidy. A subsidy is when Airbus is given money by its controlling governments to design aircraft. Money lent at below market rates or just given to the conglomerate. Your lack of understanding exactly what is going on here is pathetic. Boeing has an aircraft that the U.S.A.F. wants, it is now purchasing said aircraft. The U.S.A.F. didn't pay for the development of the 767. Unfortunately, every current Airbus design has EU taxpayer written all over it.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Wed Aug 20, 2003 12:32 pm

The German Air Force flies A310s, France's Air Force just bought some new A340s.

It's not the fault that the US is the only Country in the World who's actually spending what they are supposed to on Defense, most other Countries just look for the US to protect them.
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:39 am

Hmm, STT757, A340 were not bought by FAF, it's just a project, since many years...

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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:02 pm

I think it is a mistake that the USAF is leasing the 100 767 tankers instead of buying them. I also think that it should be the 763 instead of the 762, more capacity and better range never hurts.
 
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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:14 pm

I'm reasonably confident the 767-200ER has a decent range advantage over the 767-300ER - at least 500nm.

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RE: Boeing Finally Sells Another 764ER!

Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:50 pm

Fuel isn't exactly the lighest and bulkiest cargo around. So you can get away with a smaller cabin

Why pay for aircraft structure that you will never use?

That is why the -200 length cabin is better suited for a tanker.
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