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German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Mon Oct 06, 2003 8:05 pm

Hi

I have often noticed that when the German F-4 Phantoms are landing they do so with the refueling slot open as you can see in these pictures:


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Anyone know why they do this??

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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 2:23 pm

I can't tell, where is the refueling port?
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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:55 pm

I believe that it is that protrusion behind the rear cockpit about a third of the way to the tail...as for why...no idea...

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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 12:59 am

The F-4F was a lighter F-4E, a fuel tank was deleted as well as AIM-7 provision, and no in flight refueling receptacle.
The modernization delivered AIM-120 provision as well as new avionics, including an APG-65 radar. I'm guessing here but could in flight refueling capability have been added in as well, given the different circumstances the Luftwaffe now operate in, no longer being confined to Central Europe?
As this was not an as built receptacle, could it be that this modification is visible at all times?
 
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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:06 am

My sources don't mention anything about deletion of the air to air refuelling. In fact, I have a 1984 vintage pic of onetaken form a KC-135. Granted, it is very hard to tell the difference between an F-4E and -F from above...

As for if the modification is visable at all times.. I would wager that if the recepticle was to stay open, they probably would not have even bothered to install doors on it.

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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 8:14 am

Whoopsie, just had a look at a cutaway drawing of an RF-4C, to see how the airforce AAR recepticle is set up. Ignore the comment above about the doors. I did check other photos of F-4F's in the database, and it seems the recepticle is closed in flight. The cutaway I was using before was that of an F-4M. Not too helpful for this question.

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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Fri Oct 10, 2003 1:08 pm

Boy, I don't think you could deploy a phantom nonstop to the states without inflight refueling, or a hell of a lot of stops,

Especially if it is short one fuel tank.

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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Sat Oct 11, 2003 9:15 pm

Stops in Scotland, Iceland and Canada, plus a heavy load of ferry tanks L-188.
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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:48 pm

But doesn't the Luftwaffe have a squadron of F-4s permanently based at Holloman? Why the need for these cross Atlantic drags?
 
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RE: German F-4s Landing With Refueling Open - Why?

Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:58 pm

Because the Holloman sqn is a OCU unit. You still need to exercise the operational units......  Big grin I'm not sure if the F-4s at Holloman are the same spec as German based squadrons eighter.

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