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C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:16 am

Looks like Iraqi insurgents nearly scored a BIG kill. A C-5 taking off from Baghdad International was hit by a SAM, damaging the #4 engine and forcing the Galaxy to make an emergency landing at the airport with (luckily) no injuries to the 63 passengers and crew onboard. Had there been more than one missileer, they might not have been as lucky.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:11 am

Anyone know where it was from?? Probably Dover or Travis??? Seems like these guys are hitting wings or engines lately with the cargo planes. (the DHL A300, and the C-17.)

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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:27 am

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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:41 am

Wings and engines would be expected to be hit by IR SAMs. Reportedly at 6,000 feet, around the same altitude as the DHL A-300. Seems to be getting near the max range for these MANPADS, 6000 feet up and who knows how far laterally.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:30 am

Maybe its time to start escorting them in and out with AC-130'S or something. What can be done to protect our aircraft inbound and outbound ? Garnetpalmetto.. you have a disappointed tone in your post ??

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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:36 am

The SA-14 Gremlin has max alt of 6000ft
The SA-16 Gimlet and the SA-18 Grouse has a max alt of aprox 11.000ft. Let's hope the bad guys don't get their hands on any of them.
(Seem to recall that the SA-7 was used in the attack filmed by the french journo)
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 10:45 am

I'm certainly not dissapointed the insurgents missed, AGM. I hope that the insurgency can either be rolled up rather quickly or will soon die out. Rather, I'm worried about this. You have to wonder how long the insurgents will stick just one missileer out there to take potshots...the guys are anything but dumb and I'm highly worried about hearing one day that they've taken out a heavy in a flurry of missiles.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:09 pm

This topic reminded me of a question I've had for a while now. I'm not an expert by any means about military hardware but...I assume that military aircraft like the C-5, C-141, KC-10, KC-135 are no longer in production for the military. So basically if the Air Force has 62 C-5's that's it. If they are God for bid destroyed by such an incident as we had today then they would have 61 C-5's and it would not be replaced. Am I correct about this or if one of these aircraft were lost, would a new one be built to replace it?

My real question here is, is there a list somewhere that us civi's have access to that list the serial numbers of the entire fleet? If I'm correct that the airforce has a finite number of certain aircraft, then it would be feasible to keep tract of "our" fleets of aircraft via spotting or MilCom. I for example note serial numbers of the planes I see at airshows and keep tract of when and where I see them. In doing this I've determined that several of the same aircraft go from airshow to airshow year after year. One in particular that does this is the F-117. I've seen the same F-117 at three different airshows in the last year and a half.

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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 3:44 pm

Am I correct about this or if one of these aircraft were lost, would a new one be built to replace it?

You're basically correct. In economic terms, there's something called economies of scale, meaning it's less expensive to build a lot of something than a little of it when it required specialized means of production. One of the reasons the Seawolf-class attack boats are so expensive, for instance, is the fact that there are only three of them..same goes for the B-2, F/A-22 and the C-5, for instance. If a C-5 is lost, since the production line is long shut down and even if it were able to be quickly reopened, the cost of just building one would be prohibitive.

As for you second question, Joe Baugher keeps some registration #s on his website at http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/, however, the "modern" A-Series is missing, the B-1 and B-2 are missing, as well as Cargo aircraft.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:38 pm

Palmetto, I agree about the threat , much like the UH60 downed yesterday it can only take one "potshot".
They would have to build 2 C-17's to fill in the gap. Or bring some of the C-141's out of the desert . Has a C-5 ever been lost to hostile fire ?
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:17 am

Hmmmm.

I want to say no.

I want to say that the only losses prior was the Saigon baby lift aircraft, and that one a few years back at Rein-Mein.


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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:39 am

The C-5 lost in Germany crashed on takeoff out of Ramstien during Operation Desert Shield.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:02 am

Outstanding record I would say. I dont know how many flight hours they log a year but I am sure its up thier. As spread out as our forces are around the world they probably make the rounds.

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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:07 am

They can always "un-retire" one of the C-5 "As" heading for Davis Motham to replace an aircraft should it be lost to accident or hotile fire, hopefully they will not loose any.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 10, 2004 6:49 am

Daren, Joe Baugher also has a list of USAF serials that goes in chronological order (year by year) which can be found here: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html

Note the link on the page that lead to a list of BuNos (USN/USMC serials).


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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 16, 2004 10:13 pm

An update on the C-5 that was hit at Baghdad. The missile impacted the #4 engine and damaged the pylon. The engine was removed and temporary sheet metal repairs were made to the pylon. The airplane was then ferried to Qatar, on 3 engines; the final repairs will be made to the pylon and an another engine installed.
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 17, 2004 6:22 am

What wing or squadron was this plane attached to?

 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:34 pm

BROKE: Where are you getting this information from?


[Edited 2004-01-17 08:37:08]
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:34 am

Dover, I think......
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:43 am

This particular C-5 was from Travis, 22nd Airlift Squadron.
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:51 am

You may recall, an Airbus operated by DHL was also damaged by a SAM shortly after a take-off a couple of months ago. None of the crew was injured.
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:39 am

This particular C-5 was from Travis, 22nd Airlift Squadron.

oh yea, sorry, you're right.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Tue Jan 20, 2004 6:57 am

The only injury due to a SAM attack was one of the passengers on the C-17 that got hit. Shrapnel penetrated the fuselage and also hit the #2 engine.
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Tue Jan 20, 2004 10:17 pm

Gunships,

My source was a Kentucky Airguardsman who saw the airplane in Qatar.
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:21 am

I remember reading an excellent article on the C-5 many years ago in Air & Space Magazine (an absolute topflight aviation publication). One thing I remember is that many times systems would be out and in peacetime the C-5 had a pretty bad readiness rate ... but during wartime it has more redundant systems than practically any other aircraft flying. If I had to be in an aircraft that got hit by a shoulder mounted SAM, the C-5 might not be a bad choice. Especially since the troops sit facing the proper direction, backwards, which helps you survive a crash.
 
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RE: C-5 Damaged In Baghdad

Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:39 pm

Found out finally that the tail # was 85-0010 out of Travis.

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