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Why No US Planes For The IAF

Tue Feb 10, 2004 5:57 pm

Why does the Indian AF not purchase US planes but still stick to the Russian models.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:35 pm

I suspect that the US are not to keen on selling aircraft with full performance to India. I don't think India would get AMRAAM, but the russians will provide BVR missiles.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:49 pm

What Aircraft can US offer to India.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 8:59 pm

In 1956 the US signed a friendship treaty with Pakistan leaving India with little option but to sign a friendship treaty with the other camp, the Russians which we did in 1971.

India also wanted the option to license build aircraft, as the first step towards indegenous designs. The Russians were far more willing to let India license build its designs than the Americans ever were! Starting 1965, India was manufacturing the Mig-21, then the top of the line fighter for the Soviets, at Nashik. Doubt if America has ever allowed any of its allies this kind of access.

In any case, military partnerships are built on trust. Americans are far less reliable as military partners. India should stick to tried an tested friends like France and Russia, or else stick to indegenous designs.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 9:48 pm

does India also have the new Sukhoi fighters like the Su-27 or other more modern versions of Sukhoi fighters? and else why don't they buy them in stead of american stuff i think there are some Sukhoi fighters wich are much superior to like the F-16
 
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:04 pm

Europeans built there own F-16s. And I believe (not sure though) that Italians built their own F-104 and the Koreans will build F-15Ks. Japan built it's F15s and F4s and a variation of the F16.


So this statement is quite untrue: Doubt if America has ever allowed any of its allies this kind of access.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:43 pm

Europeans were licenced to build their F-16s (Netherlands, Belguim). The Italians built the F-104 ASA in 1985. That much is correct. However, the Koreans have never been licensed or have ever flown the F-15. They're licensed to build the F-16 under Daewoo. They dont' have the need for it. Their F-4s and F-16s and F-5s do just fine. The Japanese were licensed to build the F-15 under Mitsubishi in the 80's. And the Japanese haven't built an F-16, not that I'm aware. The Taiwanense built their own variant of the F-16, upgraded it and licensed it.
 
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:48 pm

The main problem with US weaponry is that the minute, India acts with its own mind, they'll slap an embargo on us thereby jamming any spares, replacements and other supplies during the ensuing period. Why buy a problem at a higher cost?

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:50 pm

I read in the Red Star book about An-32 that it was specifically designed for
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Fri Dec 24, 2004 12:59 pm

The Japanese build a variation of the F-16, called the F-2. It's pretty much the same as the F-16, but about twice as expensive.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Fri Dec 24, 2004 9:36 pm


The wings have less sweep, and look a lot larger, the rear fuselage and tail are also different.

This must affect performance.
 
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Sat Dec 25, 2004 3:26 pm

P'd still call that minimal adjustment. Just look at the change in horizontal stabilizers between early and late model F-16As. The changes would be at most a different lettered subtype in the F-16 family.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Sun Dec 26, 2004 12:22 am

Returning to the original post, the IAF does operate US aircrafts such B737-200s with the Communications Squadron.


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In the past, it has flown the C119 "Packets".
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The B24 Liberators
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And who can forget the DC3 "Dakota"
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Transports08.html

And of course the L1049s albeit they were ex AI.
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Images/Classic/Connie.html


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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Sun Dec 26, 2004 2:19 am

You can add the B707 to that (though this too is ex AI) and the Gulfstream SRA-1 (VT-ENR).

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Sun Dec 26, 2004 1:25 pm

Thanks Vimanav, I had overlooked the B707s and the Gulfstream.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:15 am

Thanks Folks.I forgot those old birds,Especially the DC3.
Are there any in operation in India left.I remember Airworks India had one DC3 until a few yrs back.
But regarding the New planes.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:00 am

No DC3s flying but several can be made airworthy.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:21 pm

Looks like the US is going to be giving India a closer look at the F-16 (after the RSAF exercises). USAF F-16s are scheduled to make an appearance at the Bangalore airshow, along with some US helicopters.

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:17 am

Looks like the US is going to be giving India a closer look at the F-16 (after the RSAF exercises).
In return for a peek at the Sukhoi 30MKIs  Smile
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:12 am

Europeans were licenced to build their F-16s (Netherlands, Belguim). The Italians built the F-104 ASA in 1985. That much is correct. However, the Koreans have never been licensed or have ever flown the F-15. They're licensed to build the F-16 under Daewoo. They dont' have the need for it. Their F-4s and F-16s and F-5s do just fine. The Japanese were licensed to build the F-15 under Mitsubishi in the 80's. And the Japanese haven't built an F-16, not that I'm aware. The Taiwanense built their own variant of the F-16, upgraded it and licensed it.

As has already been pointed out the Japanese are building a variant of the F-16. And the Koreans are getting the F-15K.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Wed Jan 12, 2005 3:41 am


Which US aircraft would India buy assuming that it was available.
 
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Wed Jan 12, 2005 2:34 pm

F-22, B2  Big thumbs up
Realistically speaking,the F16s Def.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:05 am

Given the cost overruns on the F-22 program and the idea of reducing the production number, I don't know how the plane would be priced for export.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:39 am

I think that if the Indians plan on buying any more western aircraft of the current crop they would buy more Mirage 2000's and try to work a license production deal.

The F-16 would be a useful add, but would be somewhat redundant in light of the Mirage's. The two aircraft have similar capabilities and roughly similar costs.

Introducing the F-16 would render the Indians vulnerable to US sanctions the next time a war in the region over anything cropped up.
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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:15 pm

the next time a war in the region over anything cropped up.

India and Pakistan are going to live happily ever after. In fact both have decided to settle mutual differences through cricket matches. Big grin

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RE: Why No US Planes For The IAF

Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:01 pm

India and Pakistan are going to live happily ever after. In fact both have decided to settle mutual differences through cricket matches.

So we could soon buy houses in Lahore  Smile

Seriously speaking....Which Aircraft would the US be willing to sell INDIA.
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