Bobs89irocz
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Military People.....help Needed

Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:13 am

Well im in a stituation and im going to the military because it will be my best out come. Is there any way any of you can find the job code for the following jobs, i cant seem to find them on the AF web site...thanks. Any insite to your jobs and the best way for me to become a pilot in the AF will be appriciated. I do have a PPL and half way through my insturment.

Heavy AMC Crew Chief

Air Traffic Controler

Boom Operator

Flight engineer

loadmaster

I need 9 jobs to pick and i need the codes, these are the ones im very interested in so any more opinions or comments are welcome. Thanks

Bobby
 
gocaps16
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sat Feb 14, 2004 9:56 am

Hello,

I am not in the Air Force so I'm not sure if I could help you. About job code, do you mean your rating/MOS? You should direct your question to your recruiter. He/she will provide greater details. When I was in high school, my recruiter kept informations for each aviation ratings in the Navy. it helped me a lot which to choose from and what each rating do. I, myself, an an "AD" rating which is Aviation Machinist Mate aka powerplant aircraft mech. ATCers rating is an AC and so on, many abbrievated terms in the military.

Good luck,

Kevin
 
c17loadmstr
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:18 pm

I believe you are looking for the AFSC (Air Force Specialty Code) or MOS.

I might be able to help you out.

1A0X1 - Boom Operator
1A1X1 - Flight Engineer (you have to retrain from another flying position or come from certain maintenance backgrounds to be an FE.)
1A2X1 - Loadmaster

Here's a great link for the flying jobs: http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/alf-tank/CEA/ceahome-Default.htm

1C1X1 - Air Traffic Control

Anything in the 2XXXX is maintenance. I'm pretty sure that the aircraft that you want will be based on your dream sheet.

Best of luck.

-Scott
There are 3 types of people. Those who can count, and those who can't.
 
chdmcmanus
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sat Feb 14, 2004 2:44 pm

Heavy AMC Crew Chief - 2A5x1 (x is skill level, 1,3,5,7, or 9, for you it will be 1/3)
Tactical Crew Chief - 2A3x3
Aircraft Propulsion 2A6x1
ATC - 1C1x1
Boom Operator -1A0x1
Loadmaster - 1A2x1
Aerial Gunner - 1A7x1

Flight Engineer 1A1x1C -Fixed Wing, B- Rotary wing, but you can't enlist as a Flight Engineer, only cross-train from several Mx fields after 36mo of experience and 5 skill level.

AFSC breakdown;
1st digit= Career group, IE 1 is Operations, 2 is Mx/Logistics
2nd digit= Career Field, IE 1A - Operations/Aircrew, 2A MX/Logistics / Manned Aero Maintenance
3rd digit= Specific job code under previous heading IE 1A1 Operations, Aircrew, Flight Engineer, 2A6 MX/Logistics / Manned Aero Mx / Propulsion
4th digit- Skill level, 1 Helper; 3 Journeyman; 5 Craftsman; 7 Specialist; 9 Supervisor
5th digit- Additional separator for functional area within career fields IE 2A5x1 = Acft Mx/ 2A5x2 Helicopter MX
In addition you will also get a shredout letter after training on some AFSC's that will indicate a specific area, IE 2A5x1J = Acft Mx, C-141

For the Heavy Mx shreadouts;
A C-9/C-20/C-21/C-22/C-141/T-39/T-43
B C-12/C-26/C-27/C-130
C C-5
D C-17
E B-1/B-2
F B-52
G C-18/C-135/E-3/VC-25/VC-137
H KC-10/E-4
J C-5/C-9/C-12/C-17/C-20/C-21/C-22/C-
26/C-27/C-130/C-141/T-39/T-43
K B-1/B-2/B-52
L All C-135/C-18/E-3/E-4/KC-10/VC-25/VC-
137

NOTE: Shredouts A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H are applicable to the 1- and 3-skill levels only. Shredouts J, K, and L are applicable at the 5-skill level only. Shredouts A, B, C, and D merge to form shredout J at the 5-skill level. Shredouts E and F merge at the 5-skill level to form shredout K. Shredouts G and H merge at the 5-skill level to form shredout L. There are no shredouts at the 7-skill level.

More than you ever wanted to know, hope it helps.
ChD
"Never trust a clean Crew Chief"
 
Bobs89irocz
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:12 am

Gocaps16- Thanks for the advise to talking to my recruiter.....that was the first place i went....He didnt have the papers/info with it at the time so i figured id ask a few people on here.

C17loadmstr- you hit the nail right on the head, that is exactly what i was looking for and i really want to get a ATC job, or a C17 crew chief job/loadmaster job as i suppose you are? Where are you bassed? If you would please send me an email and tell me some about you job if you dont mined?

www.bobs89irocz@aol.com

Thanks
 
Bobs89irocz
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:56 am

Anyone know how long Tech school is for the Crew Chief jobs (2A5x1)?

Chdmcmanus- Thanks alot for all your info as well....
 
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Sun Feb 15, 2004 7:19 am

Im an AF ATC, I think my job is the best enlisted job in the air force only thing that seems like it would be as cool is an air crew job. Having a PPL already will make tech shool alot easier for you, everyone Ive met who has had one was a tech school honor grad. Tech school is at Keesler in Biloxi, MS for 4 months, you go tower or radar only, Air Force gives you the FAA certs. so when you get out you can go straight to the FAA since your already a card holder.
 
Bobs89irocz
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:55 am

N1641- Got any tips for me to get ATC? I want that job more than any other and would do anything possible for me to get it. I dont care where training is or how long it takes (i know its not long and its at Keesler) but im just saying i want this job. Where are you stantioned now? Im hopeing for a busy base if i have ATC. Weather its in the states or over seas it doesnt matter to me. Thanks for the help or info...you can email me as well.

www.bobs89irocz@aol.com
 
chdmcmanus
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:58 am

Tech school for 2A5's is 6-8 weeks of fundamentals at Sheppard AFB, TX, then between 4 and 6 months of Airframe specific school, then another few months at your first base for basic task qualification courses. As far as busy bases for ATC, try McGuire or Andrews, both smack in the middle of the NE Corridor.

Good Luck
ChD
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maiznblu_757
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:11 am

My friend is a boomer out of Altus AFB (was stationed at Hell AFB North Dakota), I tell you, he has some awesome, and I mean awesome photos from up there. If you are into that sort of thing, go 4 it.
 
N1641
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:11 pm

tips for you to join ATC.. thats easy, score high on your asvab, tell your recruiter you want ATC, guaranteed job and thats that, dont accept open general with the idea that you "might" get ATC when you get to basic. When you goto meps and they look up in the computer to see what jobs are available they might tell you ATC isnt there, if you really want it tell them fine you will come back in a few months and try again but we're a critically manned career field so I'd think it should be listed pretty often.

Like I said before at tech school you get trained for tower or radar only and you dont get to choose, your entire class goes to either course depending on what the AF needs.

Having a PPL and a good attitude you should have no problems in tech school and you will probably even get rated, we have a high washout rate and the tech school instructors will try and scare you by telling you its a really hard job but I have a theory that anyone thats wants to do the job will make it, we have alot of washouts but for some reason theres a ton of people that come into the career field then decide they hate it and put no effort into it.

Im at Wright-Patterson which is a pretty slow base, Im hoping to go somewhere busier within the next year because I hate going to work and sitting around bored, FFO isnt horribly slow, theres actually places worse then it is here. You could do some research and find out what bases are busier then put those on your dreamsheet, bases with active duty fighter's probably have the best chance, Eglin and Nellis are busy, AETC bases that train pilots like Columbus and Shepard, McGuire is AMC but supposed to be busy, I'd love to get into the rapcon there.

Dont count on going overseas straight out of tech school its very rare, the only way it will happen is they will come into some classes and ask for volunteers for a particular base, they never asked my class but they asked the class 1 week behind me so its just luck.
 
Bobs89irocz
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Tue Feb 17, 2004 2:25 am

N1641- Ive done the MEPS thing and scored a 77 on my asvab...they said i have no problems with getting an ATC job except my depth perseption is no good according to the MEPS people. I have to go see my doctor and get a waiver or that. However my recruiter is telling me not to get my hopes up for ATC even though thats what i want the most. Thanks for your tips and ill deffinitly use them in the right situation to get what i want......if possible. Thanks.

 
chdmcmanus
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:16 am

I know your frustration, I was born cross eyed, and had surgery at 1 year old. The problem was fixed, but I can't pass a standard depth perception chart at all. When I enlisted I had been in Civil Air Patrol for 5 years and JROTC for 3. As part of that I had a Chappa scholorship which meant I picked 3 jobs, a Basic Training date, and was guaranteed one of those jobs within a few weeks of the date. I entered DLEP in January 93, and picked Loadmaster, Boom Operator, and ATC. As you can guess, my physical with no depth perception precluded all three jobs, so I took 2A531A (then 45732C) with intentions of becoming a Flight Engineer. 10 years later I am still in, and wouldn't trade being a Flight Engineer for anything in the world. For my situation it worked out perfectly. Even if ATC doesn't work out, make the best of whatever job you get, you won't regret it.

ChD
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RE: Military People.....help Needed

Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:32 am

ChD- That the plan, ill make the best of whatever i get....but if i can do something about getting ATC then thats what im gonna try my hardest to do. Thanks for the words of encouragement.

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