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B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:29 am

Hi All,

How many B-52's were lost during the Vietnam war?. My brother is doing a essay on the Vietnam war and is doing a piece on the Military aircraft used in the war. Any idea's to the number lost and if possible the dates and locations.

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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sun Feb 29, 2004 12:02 pm

I'd have to open my database to give you exact details but I recall 11 were lost to enemy fire. And 10 of those were within a one week period. I'll do the search if you want. Email me.
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sun Feb 29, 2004 2:02 pm

Quite a few lost during the Linebacker II bombing campaign mid/late December 1972. Most downed by SAMs. I would say most B-52 losses to enemy fire in the Viet conflict occurred during this time period.
 
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sun Feb 29, 2004 10:26 pm

Test question!!

Which military organization first shot a B-52 down?
I'll give the answer in another reply.

The B-52D, that is at the Air Force Museum, saw combat over North Vietnam and was damaged by a SA-2.
Shrapnel from a nearby missile explosion, punctured the airplane in over 120 places. Because of the black belly and underwings, it is tricky to spot the repairs and regularly visitors ask to see where the damage was. It is amazing how many people think they will still see the holes created by the shrapnel. But, aerospace education is one of the missions of the museum.
 
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:01 pm

Which military organization first shot a B-52 down?

That would be the F-100s of the New Mexico ANG, which shot down 53-0380, a B-52B during an intercept training mission.
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Mon Mar 01, 2004 7:30 am

I read the book Sidewinder by Ron Westrum and that went into detail why the ANG F100 shot the B 52 down.
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Mon Mar 01, 2004 8:10 am

I think more then 11 were lost in the whole war. I thought they lost 10 the first week of Linebacker II? They flew the same route everyday. It was like shooting ducks in a barrel for the NVA.
 
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Mon Mar 01, 2004 10:52 am

A very quick perusal of my databases came up with the following.

56-0584 s/d 12.26.72 Kinh No, N. Vietnam (crashed U-Tapao)
56-0599 s/d 12.27.72 near Hanoi
56-0605 s/d 12.27.72 nr Trung Quan, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
56-0608 s/d 12.19.72 over Hanoi (SAM hit)
56-0622 s/d 12.20.72 nr Yen Vien, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
55-0116 dber 1.13.73 Da Nang AB (landed w/ battle damage)
55-0110 s/d 11.22.72 over Vinh, N. Vietnam (crashed in
56-0601 w/o 7.8.67 Da Nang Vietnam (emergency landing)
56-0601 w/o 7.8.67 Da Nang Vietnam (emergency landing)
55-0050 s/d 12.22.72 Bach Mai, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
55-0056 s/d 1.4.73 Vinh, N. Vietnam (crashed in South Vietnam)
55-0061 s/d nr Bach Mai, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
56-0669 s/d 12.21.72 Hanoi (crashed in Laos ; SAM hit)
56-0674 s/d 12.26.72 nr Giap Nhi, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
57-6481 s/d 12.20.72 nr Yen Vien, N. Vietnam
57-6496 s/d 12.20.72 Yen Vien, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
58-0169 s/d 12.21.72 Kinh No, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
58-0198 s/d 12.21.72 nr Kinh No, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
58-0201 s/d 12.18.72 nr Yen Vien, N. Vietnam (SAM hit)
58-0246 s/d 12.19.72 nr Kinh No, N. Vietnam

More than 11 but not by much. Note also that 3 of the above made it back to base.
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:24 am

Here's an excellent reference I own on the Linebacker bombing campaigns...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1854094505/inktomi-bkasin-20/ref%3Dnosim/002-1254077-1157606

I think 17 aircraft is right, as IMissPiedmont posts; but I think I recall from this book that the 1st one was lost in April or May, 1972; the 1st B-52 to be brought down by a SAM. The other 16 I think were all lost during the 11-day Linebacker II campaign. I seem to recall there was also at least one that was hit but survived in October, '72. I might have it backwards, perhaps the one in the spring survived and the one in October was the first to crash. Pity I'm not home to refer to the book. The book also somewhat details earlier B-52 campaigns, like "Arc Light" but I don't think mentions S/N 56-0601 on 7/8/67. I don't think this B-52 was hit by a SAM but I'd need my book in front of me to be sure. And as Ramprat74 relates, the predictable routes dictated by SAC H.Q. played a big part in the losses. Great reading!
 
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:19 pm

Disregard 56-0601, it was not battle related. 55-0110 crashed in Thailand and I do not know the fate of the crew, as I do not know the fate of 55-0056 or 56-0069 or 56-0584. That leaves 13 shot down that crashed in North Vietnam.

I also do not include the 20 or 30 that were so badly damaged that they were scrapped.
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:57 am

Just an aside; the B-52D on display at the Air Force Museum adjacent to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base outside Dayton, Ohio, was one of the airplanes that participated in the Linebacker II campaign (I'm not sure of its' S/N, check out the museum's website). It, too, suffered extensive battle damage which was repaired, as detailed in a diagram posted beside the BUFF. I believe they considered scrapping this one but didn't.
 
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RE: B-52's In Vietnam, How Many Were Lost

Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:10 pm

The only B-52 I've seen at the USAF museum is "Lucky Lady III" 53-0394 which is a B-52B-35. I am though stating that from faltering memory and a somewhat neglected database.
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