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Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:03 am

Can a navy plane land at a marine base? Can a marines plane land at a air force base, and so on? Do they all get along? If so why would they land at each others base?
 
Woodreau
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:15 am

Yes. Yes. Sometimes. Can be any reason.... They might have a mission to accomplish at the other base, or simply need to get fuel.

Though just like in general aviation, it's usually better to call ahead to arrange the services you want with base ops before landing at the field. It usually doesn't work out too well if you just show up and want fuel as a transient aircraft.

The other base will definitely want to know if you're carrying any VIP's on board.

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RE: Surprised By Military 707

Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:15 am

many bases are joint, and/or have duel service ops.
Most bases have transient ramps, though as noted above, unless it is a divert, calling ahead is a plus. Of course bases have ops freqs you can call (with in UHF Range) and arrange parking and transit/fuel, transpo, etc.

here at Tinker, the Navy has a whole side of the base for E-6B TACAMO ops.
Joint Reserve Bases, often have all services there Like NAS Ft Worth JRB (formerly Carswell AFB)

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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jun 12, 2004 1:14 pm

USMC units are routinely deployed on USN carriers.
Not only to train and show cooperation but also simply because the USN doesn't have enough Hornets left to meet its needs so they need the USMC to fill that gap.
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2912n
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:17 pm

Uhhh, much as they hate to admit it, the Marines are a part of the Navy Department.  Smile
 
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jun 13, 2004 3:17 am

The Pentagon is moving towards Joint operations with regards to training and military facilities, the next round of BRAC (Base Realignment and closure commitee) is going to be making the rounds again soon.

They want to see more consolidation and Joint Operation Facilities to reduce costs.

Lt.AWACs gave the Joint Reserve Base as an example, there's one about 60 miles from me at Willow Grove Pennsylvania.

Willow Grove Joint Reserve Base (JRB) hosts all the branches of the Arm Services in the Reserve and Guard Role.

Based at Willow Grove Joint Reserve base are..

Pennsylvania Air National Guard A-10s

Air Force Reserve C-130s

Marine Corps Reserves Ch-53s

Navy Reserve has two P-3 Patrol Squadrowns (Liberty Bells and Condors)

The Navy Reserve also has a couple Navy Versions of the DC-9.

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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:07 pm

As stated above, the services use each other's bases all the time. For the most part the base gets notification of an off station aircraft arriving while the aircrew is building their flight plans.

It's not uncommon to see plans from other bases, as well as other services on the transient ramp, especially if you're at a base that's at a pretty popular location.

At Shaw it's not uncommon to see USMC Harriers from Cherry Point or Hornets from Beaufort in the pattern, or on the ramp. The same goes with helos from all the services. Shortly after I arrived there I was on my way home one night and I saw an ATA 757 on the ramp.
 
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:32 pm

I know the marines are part of the department of the navy (there is no "navy department").
But that means as much as saying that both the navy and the airforce are part of the department of defense (of which the department of the navy is a department...).
It doesn't stop inter-service rivalry, in fact the closest relatives often fight the hardest....
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:43 pm

Yes.

There many be some ground procedure rules differences but nothing that can't be worked around.
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:28 pm

Here at Davis-Monthan AFB, we get Navy and Marine aircraft in all the time, both because of AMARC and for refueling stops, training stops...etc. I noticed that trend at Hickam as well, just not as often.

Lt-AWACS, are you still flying the E-3 or have you moved on to something else? Can pilots switch A/C types or are they stuck on the same type more or less? I've been meaning to bug you with that question for a while now  Smile



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Lt-AWACS
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RE: Surprised By Military 707

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:52 pm

Hobo- I am not a pilot on the E-3, I am a Rated Weapons Officer -ABM, a type of Weapons Controller (the air force has three rated line officer jobs - pilot, nav, ABM- with many sub AFSCs for those). Though I am a private pilot (as are many navs and ABMs, and both careers get some flight training) and hopefully flying with the TXANG by next summer  Smile

For my job the only other USAF plane I can go fly on is the E-8 JStars (or NATO E-3 which is considered a "different" system by the Air Force). We used to have the ABCCC (and EC-130) but those are gone. There are GTACS systems (most in Iraq now) and AOCs we can also go to.

But to answer your question- yes pilots switch aircraft all the time. From UPT you can become a FAIP- First Assignment Instructor Pilot, and stay with T-37s or T-6s. You can apply for several types of airframes, and Heavy guys can even try for fighters.
We have several E-3 pilots who now fly B-2s at Whiteman. Other's trying for U-2s.

Chief Master AIC, I like that, though I've made my lead airman my "Brigadier Airman"  Big grin

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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:39 pm

Lt-AWACS,

Thats awesome, hope the TX ANG works out for ya! I remember them visiting us over at Hickam a few times back when I was in the guard, "Best d*mn pilots around" as I recall one of our pilots saying...or something to that effect.  Big grin

I'm not familiar with the ABCCC, thats not part of the E-4 is it? As far as EC-130s, we still have a few here at DM, ...actually, I think they're in Iraq as I haven't had to work on those rust buckets in a while. (I'm not fond of 130's period)

Hahah, "Brigadier Airman" I gotta use that one day. A buddy of mine gave me the title of Chief Master A1C after losing a stripe going from guard to active AF... we were actually talking about drawing in a wreath around the star  Smile Heh, one day I'll trade these stripes in for a bar or two.

Anywho, happy flyin!

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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:38 am

You listed four services when there are five military services in the USA. And yes, USCG aircraft land at the other four services airfields when necessary. I rode jumpseat on a Falcon from OPF to Hunter Army Air Field, which hosts CG Air Station Savannah, picked up parts and then flew to NAS Guantanamo Bay where the CG has an air detachment for Caribbean patrols.

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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:01 am

Yup, we do it all the time, especially in the case of cargo moving, the USAF has the largest air cargo moving capacity out of all the services.
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:31 pm

It happens all the time. CGAS Traverse City, home of Five HH-65 Dolphin's gets visiting aircraft from other services all the time. Currently there is an airshow going on and we have seven Blue Angel F/A18's, two USAF F16's, one ANG A10, a Marine C130, a Navy C-9....

AND three VMFA (AW) - 224 F/A18's are based here for training (Not parked on the CG ramp because there isnt a lot of room left)
 
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:30 pm

Also if you see a lot of transient ACFT at a base they must have a mighty fine golf couse on base  Big grin
 
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RE: Navy Usaf Army Marines

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:39 pm

Actually you might be surprised at the amount of civilian traffic some bases get.

And I am not talking the joint use, Rein-Mein deal either.

A lot of civilian contracts for Airlift occur.

There are some hoops to jump through to get permission to land at a base though. But they generally aren't too difficult. Particularly if you are a lifeguard flight. Where I work we used we used to haul a lot of military and VA patients between bases.

The hard part sometimes is explaining to the ops people what some aircraft are if there isn't a handly military equivelent around. A learjet was easy, it is just a C-21, a Metro is harder, there wheren't that many C-26's running around, a lot of military people have never heard of it.
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