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Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:36 am

I just picked this up in the online edition of a Danish newspaper, and since a small search didn't reveal anything, I thought I'd post here.

Apparently, NATO is having problems aquiring capacity for some of the bigger operations, so now they want to lease 6 civilian Antonov 124's, so they can be called up with short noticed and use for transport. The idea is that they're going to be leased until 2012, when Germany & France will recieve 110 Airbus freighters.

Damn, I think this is one major breakthrough. 20 years ago, anyone suggesting that NATO leased Russian/Ukrainian/Soviet aircraft would have been laughed at.
 
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:35 am

My alternate suggestion is that they go the C-17 route. They can always sell them to USAF after they're done.
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:08 pm

"My alternate suggestion is that they go the C-17 route"

They cost more then they taste, I'm afraid.
 
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:47 pm

Extremely disturbing. I hope it will serve as a wakeup call to our politicians that they've gone too far scaling back but I doubt it severely (most likely they'll scale back even more so there's less to transport thus making more transports useless).
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:34 pm

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My alternate suggestion is that they go the C-17 route. They can always sell them to USAF after they're done.


No that wouldn't be the best route, A AN-124 can carry about 3x's the cargo of a C-17, go farther, can be cheaper to operate and finally the AN-124's are available.



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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:47 pm

Suppose one of them (and I hope it doesn't) crashes. What would the NATO response be? We already saw a reactionary response from Spain this year when the Yak-42 bringing her troops home from Afghanistan went down. There was a huge uproar over "why were we using Soviet equipment?" with the insinuaition (incorrect as it may be) tht a Yak/IL/AN aircraft is too shoddy to be used by western forces.

And we shall see if the A-400M is in service by 2012. Seems that this lease will serve as another incentive for politicians to cut the program even more.
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:00 am

Three times by volume, not by weight. And the C-17 can land in strips that the An-124 can't touch. And it'd improve commonality. If it was good enough for the RAF, it's good enough for NATO.
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:18 am

Actually The AN-124 capacity is greater by volume and weight. AS for runways, the 124 is more than capable at landing at enough runways to be much more cost effective than a C-17, hell, even the AF isn't landing C-17's on unproved landing strips in the middle of combat.
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:06 am

I know the An-124 can haul more weight -- but I said 'not three times the weight.'
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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:29 am

The German Luftwaffe is already leasing AN-124s and IL-76s for the Afghanistan operation. I see them every night on the military apron of CGN. I´ve seen AN-124s and AN-12s chartered by the Dutch Army. They often ship vehicles and equipment through the civilian side of CGN.

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RE: Nato To Lease An124's?

Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:44 am

The RAF have been chartering An-124s for some time now to haul equipment into operational areas. It's no major issue.

The big Antonovs are flying in and out of Brize Norton as well as civil airfields.
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