"No, you quit hijacking threads or I'm telling your mom! Get a life"
That in itself is profound, just let it sink in LOL Your abundant vocabulary amazes us all. And of course the gas passer hijack continues LOL
As MasterCard would say, Priceless
"To start with, I need the laugh after a long day of golf waiting for a new fiscal year. has gotta be some of the gayest shit I've ever heard. You've outdone yourself with that one. Congrats."
'Gay'. Are you not secure in your sexuality? I know two recent boomers at Wichita got busted out of the AF
for Homo conduct, at least according to news, were they your pals??
Nothing odd about my statement, We had the whole week off, until Friday.
Monday was an ACC down day, Tuesday a training day, Wednesday a Family day, and Thursday only for essential personnel. I live on a Golf Course in OKC
HOKIE can attest, and I played golf all week. So thanks for asking though.
"To continue, "Junior controller" my ass. If so, all of your tanker controllers must be junior since you idiots couldn't tell which way was which. Back at Al Udeid we had a whiteboard that was filled with the utterly retarded statements or questions the AWACS controllers would let run from their mouths. Reality check guy, it's a systemic problem with you fools, not a question of one or two inexperienced controllers."
Funny I was at Al Udeid several times and didn't see it, but I can say, we have a doofer board of Fighter Pilot screw ups throughout the war, and of course the Doofer book at Red Flag is priceless. The most comm buffoonery in war comes from 15C drivers, they are big fans of 3-1 Comm (do you know what that means? BTW
) As 3-1 says "trucker comm" is always a fallback in a real world scenario.
Anyway, other than 4 of the 18 crews, the Tank controller was the most junior, but of course you don't know how the training works do you, you have no idea. You have no idea how the war works either. You don't have the freqs, radios and Satcoms to know..... The senior controllers need to work the TST and CAS support to people actually getting shot at and dropping bombs.
"CAOC has no tank plan, we must fix the ATO real time, and you have issues with a few errors from one crew, on one freq?
If CAOC has no tank plan then tell the other goats not to think out loud. The Brits didn't seem to have that problem. The only outside people who actually appreciate you and the job your doing are 4 ship flight leads. And that's because they have the experience to filter out the comm jam you normally fill the airwaves with. "
Also to show your ignorance of the war and its plans, the 4 ship lead is not a priority, as there was no air-to-air threat. Vipers, Beagles, Hornets, Tornadoes, and Bones were the priorities who we work with, setting up strike packages to go down and work emerging targets. Do you know what those are?
Funny since you don't have the radios to monitor such things you wouldn't know kid. Quit trying to discuss things you know nothing about. It only makes it worse
"Wow, so you went to some AF
combat plans schools. I guess the standards aren't that high to get in there."
-Maybe you should look up the standards and see what happens over the 2+ years of ABM (both E-8 and E-3) training. I cannot help the fact you are uneducated, and since you are getting out of the AF
per your previous emails, that tells me you cannot continue to be promote-able. Kind of sad. Remember if you are going to pull a knife pull a sharp one.
"Maybe some non rated aircrew like me can get in there. "
Doubtful, as the tankers have a separate school and are not part of ACC Weapons school, JCMD, Top Gun, JICO or any of the other courses out there. AMC has their own "weapons school" for tanker pilots.
"After all, they take goats. I've heard of self loading baggage, but it's not a regular insult. So you've heard the phrase before at Nellis. Big deal. "
You are a gas passer, there are plenty of phrases out there, some to vile to post on a public forum but I am sure you have heard them and their fallic references. I can list many for various positions from Pilots to Combat Controllers-CCTs. They used most of them at Fairchild for SERE and Survival school, I am sure you remember.
"So one or two AWACS fags call a boomer self loading baggage."
No no one I know thinks about Boomers, as no one cares, you are a dime a dozen, there are 600 + tankers, and 32 E-3s, we are HVAA, and our status is briefed to the President every day, you are a gas passer, which is important as I have noted before, but not all encompassing. The Self loading baggage came from a Tanker Crew Chief and some pilots at Travis.
"Even goats gotta try to prop themselves up. "
No need, I know what I do, I've been through the combat sorties, schools, training, flags, and upgrades to know what I do. The work I do that can't be discussed on a public forum is plenty of motivation and job satisfaction for me. Never said it was better or worse than others in my field, though one should keep a drive to be the best in their job.
I am content, it seems you have an inferiority complex, but that is okay, you are young, and from a failed public education system, so I forgive you. America is on a downhill slide.
"You're lying if you say you've never heard someone call you a goat. "
THe first person I ever heard "Goat" from was actually a former E-3 pilot who was now in Tankers-- that was in 2002, at Al Udeid actually. Oddly enough our pilots ripped him a new one for saying it, but most of the guys at Niagra flying "Fuzzy" were ripped Airline pilots and a little bitter themselves.
See there is no strife at Tinker, though Robbins and the E-8 is another story.
"Every former wacker crewmember I've ever met refers to you people as goat."
" Live with it" I'll live with the $76,000+ (public record BTW) a year very fine, and you can say goat all you want LOL
See the beauty is I don't care. I found some old 80's patches with a goat on it as a term of honour even LOL. Honestly in the grand scheme of things when I wan't your opinion I'll give it to you kid.
I'm in it for the lifestyle.
"Seat 5 in the E-3 cockpit is a regulated position in AFI 11-2E3 and any person in it must be briefed and any E-3 crew member in it is by regs a 5th set of eyes
Wow, the jump seat in the 10 is a regulated seat too. It sure does sound impressive, until you understand what "regulated" means. The AC
has to approve of anyone sitting in it. We brief pax who sit in our "seat 5" too. 5th set of eyes means nothing if you're not trained on what's going on."
All E-3 crew are trained in seat 5, all evac procedures, and several techs are primary fire-fighters, evac leaders and other issues. You should not speak on what you do not know, it only embarrasses you!
I never said it was critical either, but by Reg it is "an extra set off eyes" for take-off, landing, transition, and AR
"Most of you idiots couldn't find the VSI or HSI, except for the resident UPT-washout ABM onboard. "
Very few UPT "washouts" go ABM, back in the early 90s some did, but ABM is rated and reg'd differently since OCT 99. Once again, try and not speak on what you do not know kid. THat is like me saying Flt Eng/Loady dropouts become boomers which is not true. Stick to the facts.
"As far as your stats. I wish I had no life so I could cruise the AFSC's webpage looking for stats to use against someone else."
It is also posted in their magazine, which is standard shiterature in any ACC bathroom. But of course you wouldn't know about ACC pubs I suppose. Of course searching the net takes about 12 secs.
"Your words hurt so much."
I know they do, that is obvious from your post and responses.
"We had 2 class B mishaps last year. Wow. I'm too lazy to actually look up what those 2 involved but in any case AWACS had 1. So if you interpolate 30-ish E-3s with 59 KC
-10s you get roughly the same average. Twice the number of jets, twice the number of class Bs. And emergency seps? You have anything to say about that one? A huge number of factors go into that. The receiver could have too high a closure rate (not the tanker's fault) and kick off the autopilot. Your numbers are as worthless as your words."
The numbers are facts, and the seps listed can be broken down by Boomer issues, you should know that, if you don't maybe you should go see your Stan/Eval shop and get a clue kid. people in glass houses shouldn't through stones.
"To finish off the rest of your garbage:
If this word makes you feel better about your low self esteem because you couldn't get into the academy that is your problem
Like I'd even want to go there. Too many rules, not enough alcohol, and way too many women with CHD
. Maybe you wanted to go there but got rejected, but the AF
academy crossed my mind for about 10 seconds, when I was a freshman in HS
You of course don't address the issue of self-esteem LOL
No, didn't want to go, went to a tier one school in The University of Texas, and while OU
's masters program was "easy" IMO at least there master's academic rating is rising in Princeton review.
"let you clean my windshields when you are done with the Gas (yes I am a dick sometimes huh)
No, you're a moron all of the time. I shudder to think someone who's graduated from college could utter an insult that lame. Maybe your mom isn't the person to consult when you need a quick insult."
I actually laughed outloud on that and shared it with the bros LOL Do you know what the word MORON means??? It seems you have a limited vocabulary, which of course falls back to your childhood, so I understand and forgive you. I guess it does take a village LOL Once again you don't address the Self esteem issue. Seems I struck a nerve LOL
"Also, since there are Brits and Americans on both Brit and US E-3s at any given time, even by accent you don't know who you are talking too.
You ever notice that Brit and US AWACS have different callsigns? Yup, they do. When whoever tells us to switch to "*******" we know who it is simply by looking at our yoke note. Thinking out loud again?"
The callsign and the controller are two different issues kid, think about that one again. When your head stops hurting, I can draw you a picture if it doesn't make sense.
"Space A pax are not rated flyers, so by admission if your statement on Space A pax was true, you fall into the same boat kid......you are now the forum space A expert. Congrats
Flight Engineers aren't rated flyers."
I know, no "enlisted" flyer is rated, you seem to miss the basic tenet of the statement.
"Are you going to call any of the ones in your squadron space A's? I thought not. Space A expert?"
Seems I struck a nerve again, because you do carry Space A pax. We don't, thus your statement, that was trying to be cute yet insulting, is shown to be "false"
"Since you've got an opinion about everything else on these forums, why don't you take over as expert."
Forums are about opinions and discussion. And of course everything I have noted re: the AF
is fact. So will continue to be your humble teacher.
"I'm sure you'll get an air medal out of it."
I don't need another Air Medal, but I'll take it for the "me": wall LOL
" Making your position a rated flying listing filled your head pretty quickly. It's an empty title when it comes to ABMs. Realistically speaking, the only rated fliers are pilots and navs. "
Not according to AFPC, and the regs, and the fact ABMs are Squadron, Group and soon to be Wing (17th TW
) CCs. Not to mention the ABMs at Weapons School, and on the Combat Plans Cell LOL
Get a clue kid seriously, you are only making yourself look bad. Stick to pumping gas, and let the others plan and execute the big picture stuff. We all have our places. And of course, as a side note, since the Nav on the E-8 (the other ABM platform) sits in the Back, are they not rated anymore?
"You have no checklist steps in the cockpit, when you sit down in seat 5 you are nothing more than a passenger." Not a checklist, but a trying requirement, as noted above.
" So shut the f**k up, enjoy the ride, then go back to your place in the plane"
"Ditto" LOL Keep handing out my meals when I fly space A again on your plane
THE COCKPIT and talk about how you could've been a pilot, but actually wanted to be a goat."
I didn't try to categorize as a pilot, though I am private pilot and have been for some time. I wanted to be an Air Weapons Officer, as I categorized for that position. I went for the money.
Not to sound greedy, but why not take the highest paid position where ever you go? I enjoy the work, and hope to fly in the guard in a traditional spot, just to stay "blue".
That was fun I weep for the future LOL though the poor kid joingin the AF
might not be a flyer now...
Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, I'm Captain AWACS and I approved this message