thegregster
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A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:10 pm


With the A380 Roll out not far away,what are the chances of a military modified
Version being realised to European air forces and air forces around the world.

Would a request for such an aircraft be on the cards?

The A380 would be able to carry large amounts of troops anywhere in the world and
Would easily surpass the capabilities of the C-5 and An124.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:46 pm

It would not surpass. The C5 and AN 124's benifits is not in carrying troops but it can cary bulk oversize loads that the A 380 still will not be able to carry.

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thegregster
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:55 pm

True

Although the possibilities of a swing nose or tale could solve that problem

Boeing are in the progress of developing a 747 guppy that has this capability to help transport the production of the 7e7 although this aircraft would not be commercially available.

Taking away the middle floor would also be necessary to carry outsize loads
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:40 pm

For large military transport operations (troops in this case), I know for sure the US government uses civil transport. At the start of the Iraqi campaign NW flew at least some military transports east. Most likely other airliners did similar transports for the US Army.

So in case of mass transportation needs, civil aircraft are used.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:03 pm

A380 would not be able to match either C5 or AN124. it's not designed to haul bulky or outsized loads, and a swing tail or nose won't change that.
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:40 pm

removing the deck for it to carry those loads would also probably require some structural changes, as this would probably be more then just a floor.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:28 pm

There's another good reason why you won't see the A380 as a pure military transport: no built-in roll-on/roll-off ramps.

That's why the An-124 is very popular, mostly because outsized cargo can be rolled on and off the plane easily.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:17 am

dont forget, the C-5 and AN-124 are a high-wing design to facilitate landing on soft strips and easier unloading.
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:23 am

I'm suprised. When i had a post about the 7E7 for refueling tankers, they moved my post to military section. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:49 am

Not really suitable, however there has been talk of some European NATO nations and Canada pooling together to buy and operate a fleet of AN-124s, as the AN people are thinking a putting a modernised (and westernised engine/avionic wise perhaps?) AN-124 back into production, this could spur such an effort on.
The RAF won't wait for any scheme like this to happe or not, as they are adding to and keeping the C-17s, not quite in the same class of course but suitable for most missions, AN-124 are charted now when the capability is needed.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:59 am

I think that the A380 will be used as a military transport at some point, but that this use will be restricted to chartering an airline example for occasional troop transport. I can't imagine it would be easy to rework the innards to make a 'Guppy' type transport, but I guess anything is possible. I don't think it is something that Airbus will spend money on.

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Boeing Pelican Project

Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:34 am



Greetings to all,

Has anybody heard anything new about this project? The Boeing Pelican, if it is to be built, is supposed to be some kind of very massive flying ship type aircraft utilizing a wing over water effect by flying just 30 feet off the ocean to conserve fuel, something very much like what the Soviet Union had in the 1960's and early seventies known as the Caspian Sea Monster to the western world. If built, this aircraft will far exceed any other aircraft built to date as far as dimensions goes, boasting a wingspan of 500 ft. dwarfing even the Howard Hughes Spruce Goose. It is supposed to be powered by four enormous 40,000 hp. engines driving props 50 ft. in diameter while transporting some 1,500 tons of supplies and 5,000 troops anywhere on the globe. Sounds unbelievable? The last I heard was this project was in the very early stages of development and many, many years away from construction of a prototype. Any information on this topic would be greatly appreciated, Thank you!
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:45 am

Didn't mean to change the subject on the A380 Military transport. I mean't to start a new topic on the Boeing Pelican. Sorry Gregster, my bad.
 
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:56 am

Beyond any structural or tech issues, there is not one European government that is ready to add several multi-hundred million dollar aircraft for the purpose of transport, in addition to the A-400's that many are not terribly happy about being stuck with either. The militaries want them, because they are tired of not having an internal capability to move large cargo from theater to theater, but the civil governments have had to be continually prodded to meet their obligations. The Italians and Portuguese have already found better ways to spend their money on in-theater transports.

The Euro governments won't spend the money, nor is there a real need when Volga-Dnepr and others are chartering AN-124's and IL-76's.
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RE: A380 - Military Transport

Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:19 pm

Taking away the middle floor would also be necessary to carry outsize loads

If the floors are removed from the A380, it can't be pressurized. It has a triple-bubble cross section that puts the floors in tension to hold shape against pressurization.

(There would be precedent. Boeing's outsized 747 transporter will be unpressurized except for the cockpit. I don't know about the A300-600ST.)

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