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Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Fri Nov 26, 2004 7:05 am

I would have to say the Mig 21. It is still operated by many air arms. Also, the Mirage III is still operated. Out of the Century series, only the F-104 is currently stored.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:03 am

My vote goes to the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom. It was the only combat airplane that all 3 services used and the only aircraft that both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds used. It was a very capable air to air fighter and could hold its own in ground attack as well, including the Wild Weasel versions. And it is still in use in several countries, including Germany, which has a squadron or two based at Holloman AFB, NM.

The MiG-21 is definitely a first rate contender, but my nod goes to the Phantom, one of the meanest looking fighters ever.



p.s. I said all 3 services because the Army isn't allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:39 am

I'll go with the Phantom as well. The MiG-21 is shorter ranged and was purchased more for its affordability than its desirability.

The F-104 has been kept by the Italians for so long due to a unique set of circumstances, while the Mirage III has been kept by nations that either did not need to or could not afford to upgrade to a more capable aircraft.

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 2:38 am

IMO, an honorable mention should go to the Northrup F-5 series. Cheap, lightweight & reliable. Still in service in many countries, the F-5 and the trainer version, the T-38, ranks among my favorite 1960s fighter aircraft. Regards.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:33 am

Yeah Flagship, gotta give you support there. The T-38 falls into that "if I had my choice of any airplane I could own, within reason". Beatufil, sexy lil supersonic plane. Chuck Yeager had this to say about the F-5 “The nicest little airplane to fly, in my opinion, is the F-5 with the leading edge flaps; twin engine, simple and fun … just a simple, basic little old airplane that flies so sweet.”

I wish the F-20, its follow on, would have been more successful. It certainly was as an airplane, just not in sales. Take an F-5, give it 70% more thrust and brand new avionics and what's not to like? Yeager, who test flew and marketed it, had this to say about the Tigershark... “A piece of cake,” he enthused. “It’s one of the most beautiful I’ve flown. Excellent throttle response.”





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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 7:29 am

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:07 pm

My vote would have to go to the recently retired F-8 Crusader. Last of the dogfighters, with 4 sidewinders and 4 20mm cannons.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Nov 27, 2004 3:13 pm

F-8 'Sader for me too...the last of the Gunfighters. The Phabulous Phantom comes next...almost neck and neck. Back when the days of being a fighter pilot really were something Big grin

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:25 am

A question for HaveBlue. I seem to remember the Vought A-7 Corsair II was flown by all 3 US fixed-wing branches in the 60s & 70s. Can you confirm this? Or is my memory getting old like the rest of me? Regards.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:49 am

To FlagshipAZ,

Yes, the A-7 was used by the USAF. A land-based version was ordered by the USAF, the A-7D, featuring a completely revised avionics including a greatly improved nav/attack system, and considerably more thrust from the TF41, a US-built enlarged development of the Rolls-Royce Spey. I am not sure about the Marine Corps, however.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:34 am

Flagship, I think you are right. I had heard the statement that the F-4 was the only combat aircraft to be used by all 3 services a long time ago, and couldn't think of an example that proved it wrong. The A-7 is probably the exception to the rule.


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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:54 am

The Marine Corpse never touched the SLUF...they had A-4's and A-6's however.

If this message topic were broadened to mean any 1960's-1970's era jet, I'd have to say that A-7, hands down  Big thumbs up

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:51 am

Thanks DeltaGuy! So I was correct, sweet  Smile
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:44 pm

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Tue Nov 30, 2004 4:52 am

No prob HaveBlue....note how I had to write Marine Corpse instead of Marine Corps  Big grin

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:02 am

I would have agree about the F-4!! It's my favorite! It's been around a looonnngggg time and used in SO many different variants and countries....it's Definitely a classic. Not bad for a fighter that started out as a day fighter for the Air Force (F-110). Speaking of the "century series", the F-106 and the F-101 comes to mind. The Canadians held onto theirs for about 10 years after the US Air Force scrapped theirs. The F-106 was a great plane, too!!
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:44 am

What about the F-14 Tomcat? Didn't she start in the 60's If it did I'm sure it would out perform anything!
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:39 am

The F-14 first flew in the 70's, or it would have my vote as well.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Thu Dec 02, 2004 7:31 am

If this message topic were broadened to mean any 1960's-1970's era jet, I'd have to say that A-7, hands down

DeltaGuy, I have to say that I am *very* surprised at your saying this. I seem to remember you being a very strong A-4 "Scooter" fan  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:27 am

i would say the A-4. hands down. most bang for the buck !
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:27 pm

Mirage III, proved itself repeatedly in combat and it's descendants are still going strong!
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:36 pm

My vote would be for the F105. Meanest aircraft during it's time. Originally designed as a low level fighter bomber with nuclear capability. Finished it's career as the second wild weasel platform.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:19 am

Not bad for a fighter that started out as a day fighter for the Air Force (F-110).

The Phantom II started out as the F4H-1 for the Navy. The Air Force had to swallow its pride to buy it as the F-110.
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Wed Dec 15, 2004 10:38 am

F-4 Phantom II should take this one hands down. Most capable fighter/bomber/mission designate A/C there ever was. When I was on carriers I saw them load up camera pods, ecm pods for Navy Wild Weasal missions, you name they did it. All this besides CapCom and Ready Alert. Probably the only other one that comes close would be the F-105 "Thud". F-14 started development in the 60's, but didn't reach the fleet until 1973. The 60's had some great supersonic A/C like the F-8 Crusader, the early F-5's were nimble and fast 900+ kts and could carry a pretty good load. Mirages, Lightnings, etc. not withstanding, the Phantom II went into combat and all of the other misssions on a daily basis in 'Nam, so it gets my vote.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:46 am

My favorite would be the Mirage III. It's sad that the Swiss Army got rid of the last ones!
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 9:14 am

Although most Americans would say the phantom you have to remember that the phantom want very popular at first. It had no gun, relied too heavily on radar and air to air missiles, and was generally thought to be too big. Of course this was all proven false by the early 70's as it came of age in Vietnam.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:45 am

I like the looks of the F 105.....I aldo like the F100 but that may actually be classed as a 1950's as i believe it's first flight was at the end og hte 50's....

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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sun Jan 30, 2005 5:25 pm



The f-4 may me the fastest of the bunch but my vote goes to the AV8-Harrier it is still in production and the also do I need to mention “V-STOL" capabilities. Also it proved it self as a formidably weapon during the Falkland Islands conflict.
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:21 am

A4 ,short,simple to the point!!!!!! from a former Marine grunt who appreciates a good mud(or sand) mover !
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:25 am

Sonic,
He said 1960's Supersonic Fighter.

It is neither a 60's fighter or supersonic.



[Edited 2005-02-25 18:26:42]
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:43 am

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (reply 29):
It is neither a 60's fighter or supersonic


It's as much a 60s fighter as the A-4. First flight Dec 67, in service with RAF summer 69.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 2:54 am

The F-5/T-38 is the most venerable. Still going strong. The USN is buying ex Swiss F-5's that have weather radar and anti skid for their aggresor program and the USAF is converting most of it's T-38's to the C model modern avionics with a modified J-85's for more power at takeoff. Alot of T-38's A models still flying though.
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:12 am

Thanks Southern Air Transport C-130,

One more edit...

First Flight (GR.1) 28 December 1967
(AV-8A) August 1970
(FRS.1) 20 August 1978
(F/A.2) 19 September 1988


AV8B: (first flight 9 November 1978), first flight of the FSD aircraft was 1981.

And its not supersonic or a fighter.. lol.. I know, Im being picky. Gonna see a whole slew of Harriers at Yuma tomorrow! Cant wait.

[Edited 2005-02-26 02:42:09]
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:42 am

The T38 is not a fighter, it was a trainer.

The A7 was an attack aircraft.

The F14 flew in the 1970's.

The A4 was an attack aircraft.

The F105 was more of a strike aircraft than a fighter.

The Harrier/AV8A was an attack aircraft.

A lot of people are streatching the topic to include their overall favourites.

Overall, IMO the best PURE Fighter in service in the 1960's was the Lightning.
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:52 am

A lot of people are streatching the topic to include their overall favourites.

I was thinking the same thing. Big grin
 
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting Maiznblu_757 (reply 32):
Thanks Southern Air Transport C-130


... and he breaks the code!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Most Venerable 1960's Supersonic Fighter

Sat Feb 26, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting SATL382G (reply 35):
... and he breaks the code!!





LOL... Was it supposed to be difficult?  Big grin

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