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"Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:20 pm

I just watched the horrifically bad 1980's movie Iron Eagle for the first time in many years, and of course, the obvious thing that struck out at me was that it appeared that most of the movie was shot with the cooperation of the Israeli Air Force...the F-16's shown are Israeli, the IAI Kfirs portraying the enemy Mig-23's are Israeli...the terrain of most of the movie is consistent with Israel...also in the credits, in the cast there are several Israeli names, and a whole crew is called the "Foreign Crew", but of course, the names are all Israeli...right down to the technical advisor, who is anonymously listed as "M. Hod" Israel is not mentioned in the credits at all, but clearly the movie's producers made a halfhearted effort to keep the Israeli involvement somewhat covered, to the average viewer at least...so, my question is, just how much of a role did Israel and the IAF actually play in the making of this movie?

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Fri Nov 26, 2004 2:29 pm

Incidentally, while googling this topic, I found this interesting review from here:

http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/ref=cm_reviews_dp_seemore/601-4161158-8056117?asin=6304460244&alt%5fview=custReviews&frombrowse=1&coliid=#076782768625001083943984

Read the one from Ensio N Mikkola of Gaithersburg MD, written on January 8th, 2004...

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:27 pm

"M. Hod"=Moti Hod?

AFAIK it was IDF/AF squadron 140 ("Golden Eagle Squadron") that got the honour of providing their F-16A/B's to that Hollywood masterpiece.  Big grin Unfortunately because of IDF/AF policies at the time (and probably the movie producers' desires to some extent), all identifying markings, right down to the tail numbers were removed for the filming. Somewhere out there on the internet there is a video file summarizing the only good part of the movie, ie. HUD footage from the F-16's. It seems to have disappeared off my HD however. Does anyone know where I can download the clip?

Also, wasn't the producer of the movie that Israeli-American guy? Might have been the same one behind Rambo 3, also filmed largely in Israel.


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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Sat Nov 27, 2004 1:58 am

clearly the movie's producers made a halfhearted effort to keep the Israeli involvement somewhat covered

I remember reading somewhere that the Israeli Government considers the identities of its military pilots top sercret.
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Sun Nov 28, 2004 5:19 pm

What would be the IAF's motivation to help out for the movie? Given their overall secrecy about things, it really strikes me as strange that they would give so much help...

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Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:04 am

I've got Iron Eagle on DVD (it was in the $9.99 bin). The producers are Joe Wizan & Ron Samuels. According to the liner notes they were going to film in the Philippines until the Isreali Ministry of Defense agreed to rent them 12 F-16s complete with pilots (duh, would you let some stunt pilot use your F-16?). Aparrently they had to shut down filming one day while "their" guys went to bomb targets in Lebanon.
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:35 pm

If you think Iron Eagle is bad (ok, it is), watch Iron Eagle 2.

Yup. Evil middle-Eastern country is most probably Iran and let's not forget, F-4s guest-starring as MiG-29s. I mean they look SO identical :-P
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 01, 2004 1:51 am

Apperantly there is an Iron Eagle III and IV. I'll let the synopsis of III speak for itself:

"Chappy Sinclair is back. This time he tries to help a woman, whose South American village has been taken over by a former Nazi, who is now a cocaine dealer and who uses her village as his base of operations. She manages to escape and goes to the States and meets up with Chappy. When Chappy tries to get help from the Air Force, he discovers that the General he is speaking to, is the Nazi's partner. So, he along with three ageing pilots, take some vintage fighter planes and go there to try and help."

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:10 am

Greg, Go to the following website for more information on those stellar pieces of realistic entertainment where 16 year olds are able to hijack fully armed F-16's. Actually the air-air sequences were pretty good, and the movie had oscar winning Lou Gossett, jr and Tim Thomerson so its B-movie creds are as high as it gets.

Supposedly this movie was released earliy to avoid confusion with Top Gun.

Yeah.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091278/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091278/trivia

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:10 am

As bad as the Iron Eagle franchise is, nothing- and I mean nothing, compares to the Daniel Baldwin 'masterpiece', 'Active Stealth'. It features an F-117 with a cargo hold as big as a C-130. It's freakin' hilarious.
 
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:20 am

I have visited the IMDB sites...I was looking for a little more detail than what they provide...I figured here maybe someone knows something that hasnt yet been posted...

BTW...Iron Eagle 3 wasn't half bad IIRC, I think it was the best of the 4 personally, though I havent seen it in a while, I remember liking it a lot when I saw it...

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:12 am

Greg...any movie featuring old war birds plus the Rutan ARES prototype is ok in my book. Plus Rachel McLish was pretty hot. THe story was pretty lame, but the photography was excellent and the flying was great.
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Thu Dec 02, 2004 1:29 pm

III wasn't as bad as II and III also had Fred Dalton Thompson (former US Senator, also played in Hunt for Red October and now in Law & Order). Never saw IV, so I can't comment. The funniest sequence in III had to be when the Aces got bounced by the Peruvian Air Force and they find themselves under missile fire. When ordered to deploy chaff, Sonny Chiba's character just opens his cockpit and throws out some aluminum foil.
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:33 pm

I'm not sure if I've ever seen the fourth one, but I've seen the first three and I liked them (especially the third). But then again, I probably wasn't even a teenager when I first saw them so I wasn't hard to please.
 
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:22 am

gp...you are correct, sir! Fred Thompson plays that character pretty damn well....ought to since it seems to be close to his own personality.

The pilot of the "zero" was Sonny Chiba, a great Japanese actor who starred in many movies on both sides of the Pacific. He was the one who unrolled the aliminium foil and tossed it out of the cockpit. Were the Peruvian aircraft Xavantes?
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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:42 am

My favourite scene was the "Snake" in the first Iron Eagle, but from there the film slides downhill, IMHO. Playing Queen during the attacks on "El Khareem" wasn't a bad choice either.

The great backtrack the Iron Eagle producers made was at the start of III, when the scene at the beginning of II is reshot (differently) so that Doug Masters actually ejects and survives the fireball that supposedly killed him in II. His rebirth was really unnecessary.

There are some scenes in the first Iron Eagle (a couple of take-offs, IIRC) where the Star of David is still visible on the underside of the F-16s, and a couple of slip-ups occurred with the F-4s too in the 2nd. Also, you don't need to be observant to noitce the constantly changing weapons load-outs too (happens in Top Gun too)--who knows, perhaps the IDF/AF pioneered and mastered the art Air-to-Air Rearming...

When the US military operated all the same types as the Israelis in the '80s (inlcuding the Kfir C-7, as the F-21A), why did the film crews need to venture all the way to Israel? Was it just for more authentic Middle Eastern scenery, lower costs, better flying, what? I'm sure these days, the IDF/AF would not be so willing...

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:23 am

"When the US military operated all the same types as the Israelis in the '80s (inlcuding the Kfir C-7, as the F-21A), why did the film crews need to venture all the way to Israel? Was it just for more authentic Middle Eastern scenery, lower costs, better flying, what? I'm sure these days, the IDF/AF would not be so willing..."

Somehow I don't think the USAF would lend their services to a film that makes them look like s***....

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RE: "Iron Eagle" And The Israeli Air Force...

Thu Dec 09, 2004 4:05 am

My favourite scene was the "Snake" in the first Iron Eagle, but from there the film slides downhill, IMHO.

IIRC, one of the stunt pilots crashed and was killed in the filming of that sequence.
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