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"Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:39 pm

Greetings all.

Does anyone know of a site that show the floor plans of SAM 28000 and/or 29000? I realize that because of security, that this may not be possible, but I know that Boeing once put out the floor plans of the C-32's ("Air Force Two") when they came out at first. I'm just curious because I started a "Presidential dream fleet" thread in AV Polls and I'm curious how a 767-200 could be configured.

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:46 pm

I highly doubt you'll find it, but (this is a highly improbable possibility) in the movie Air Force One, they show quite a bit of the plane. If I remember, starting with the nose, it's the President's bedroom, staircase/galley, conference rooms/other offices, passenger seating, storage. Communications center upstairs (I know that exists). Take it for what it's worth!  Big grin
 
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:48 pm

http://people.howstuffworks.com/air-force-one3.htm

Quoted from the first paragraph: "...Even visiting politicians and journalists aren't allowed in some parts of the plane, and the Air Force is careful to conceal specific details of the craft's layout..."

Again, nobody really knows what it looks like (heck, the designers probably don't know!).
 
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:49 pm

You can try either of the 3 below.







All joking aside though, I do believe it is classified.

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:50 pm

I wouldn't expect to ever find these...

The Secret Service would probably flip if floor plans ever got.

I know that the TV show The West Wing asked for detailed plans for the livery and got denied...

The movie Air Force One also requested detailed information on the presidential aircraft and were denied.
 
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:52 pm

By the way, The upper deck is off limits to anyone without Top Secret clearance. No media has ever been allowed to the top deck.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 3:59 pm

All those reporters fly AF1 and nothing is out there?? I think the link a few posts up a lot of sence if it isn't the real floor plan.
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Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:18 pm

I'm more curious to see how the smaller VIP aircraft in the US VIP fleet are laid out, like the C-40 VIP version, C-32, C-20/37, etc...I've been in a C-21 at an airshow, and the VC-137 at the Museum of Flight @BFI...the C-21 wasn't terribly impressive but for such a small cabin suppose there wasnt much room to work with...

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Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:20 pm

"All those reporters fly AF1 and nothing is out there?? I think the link a few posts up a lot of sence if it isn't the real floor plan."

Reporters flying on AF1 board through the rearmost door, and sit in a compartment at the back of the cabin/fuselage, and are not allowed to go forward in the a/c without escort, which is a very rare occurrence apparently...

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 5:31 pm

FriendlySkies,

Thanks man, that's just what I was looking for. Nothing too detailed but yet you get the idea.  Big thumbs up
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:45 pm

There is a great book called Air Force One that is available on line from Barnes and Noble and well worth the cost. HAs all the info that is available and past history of all the Presidents planes.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 10:59 pm

Flight International had a cutaway that was pretty accurate. Check their website.

USAFHummer; When I was stationed at ADW we only used one staircase truck on AF1 and that was the one everyone sees in the news at door L1. Anyone boarding at the rear used the lower deck airstair.

Having handled a lot of VIP aircraft at ADW, I think a.netters would be pretty disappointed with the USAF vip fleet. The Kuwaiti and Saudi aircraft were much more interesting!!

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:02 pm

The Kuwaiti and Saudi aircraft were much more interesting!!

No doubt they are, but who's gonna tell the Saudi Royal family and the Kuwaiti Royal family they've spent too much money on the official Royal Aircraft !  Laugh out loud
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:58 am

SATL382G,

Any chance of a link? I'm not getting anywhere on thier saite unfortunately.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Dec 29, 2004 2:26 am

I don't know if the AF1 cutaway is on this site, but it's got a lot of them. I just remember seeing the cutaway in the magazine once.

http://www.theflightcollection.com/index.jsp
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:59 am

Thanks again sir, I appreciate it.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Fri Dec 31, 2004 6:05 pm

I have an info sheet on the C-32, and it has a complete floorplan for the aircraft.

If I had a scanner I'd be glad to scan it and stick it up on photobucket for y'all to see, but unfortunately I don't.
 
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Sat Jan 01, 2005 12:55 am

MD-90,

Thanks for the offer, I actually have the C-32 floor plan from a Boeing news letter when it took it's first flight. I've seen pics of the interior too, kinda bland, don't you think?
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:43 am

Boeing built it, go there. http://www.boeing.com
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:09 am

I went there before I even made this post sir.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:40 am

So did I, after I answered your post. I found nothing of interest. But, you should be able to use your imagination. I would rule out a swimming pool.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:00 pm

WHAT!?!?! NO POOL?!?!?!??!!!!!!!!!

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:09 am

Boeing Nut,

If you're still looking for an AF1 cutaway it's in the Nov 99 edition of Air International.

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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
By the way, The upper deck is off limits to anyone without Top Secret clearance. No media has ever been allowed to the top deck.

This doesn't strike me as entirely correct.
The Discovery channel did a few great shows about AF1, and one of them had a camera looking over the 'captain's' shoulder at Marine1 landing with (I want to say Clinton) on board. I didn't check the filming credits, so it might have been AF personel who toook the footage, but I would NOT be surprised if someone from DSC was rushed through that section and told what to/not to shoot. I totally understand that getting any film aft of the flight deck (on the upper deck) is unlikely.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:59 am

There was a documentry on the history of Presidential aircraft and one shot was of the VC-25A's instrument panel. Typical 747-200 stuff, except for the EADI & EHSI.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:14 am

does AF-1 have a opening door like in back like in the movie??
Like for emergies drops or anything???

my guess would be NO, but then again, who knows
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 25):
does AF-1 have a opening door like in back like in the movie??
Like for emergies drops or anything???

my guess would be NO, but then again, who knows

Your guess would be correct. No ramp door. No escape capsule either.

... But there are doors on AF1 that no (as far as I know) other 747 has, namely the two airstair doors on the port side. These airstairs allow access to the "belly" from the ramp.
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Apr 27, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 26):
No escape capsule either.

Don't know if it is an urban legend, but apparently Clinton thought there was an escape capsule on AF1 after seeing the movie.....
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RE: "Air Force One" Floor Plans

Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting USAFMXOfficer (Reply 27):
Don't know if it is an urban legend, but apparently Clinton thought there was an escape capsule on AF1 after seeing the movie.....

I hadn't heard that one... but given Clintons troubles with the military early on in his administration I wouldn't be surprised if the crew tried to put him in the "escape" pod....  Smile
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