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Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:27 am

Hey guys,
I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find photos of the Doomsday Plane (the white 747 that follows Air Force One in case anything happens to it).
Thanks!

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:20 am

JetBlast - the aircraft is called the E-4 if that's of any aid to you  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:26 am

They are stationed at Offutt AFB, NE. in Bellevue, NE (just South of Omaha). I left there 3 years ago but they were always in the pattern doing touch and goes...quite a sight.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:29 am

What is the bubble on top of the standard 747 'bubble'? The Austin Powers side of me is thinking 'laser beams'!

Does it really 'follow' AF1? I was not aware of this.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:35 am

Would that mean that the President would be flying Air Force One in an Emergency, and the Vice-President would be in the Doomsdayplane?
And wouldn't it be safer if it were on the other side of the world in case something happens to AF1?

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:41 am

The E-4 only follows AF1 very loosely and only when AF1 is over seas. For example if the President is London, the E-4 may go to Ramstein Germany. It is not a backup to Air Force One. It is an airborne operations center.


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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:52 am

> What is the bubble on top of the standard 747 'bubble'?

Its a satellite communications antenna.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:53 am

SATL382G is correct. The E-4 is referred to as NAOC -- National Airborne Operations Center. There are 4 airframes in the inventory.

It does not have any lasers that I know of! It is refuelable, as well.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:59 am

I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find photos of the Doomsday Plane

There is a really cool web site I found called airliners.net. It's loaded with tons of pictures of almost every kind of plane you can think of. I did a quick search and found dozens of E-4B pics. Check it out...!!  Big grin

yea, I know, a little smart a$$ed, but Gezz. This site is loaded with great pics.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:59 am

Does it really 'follow' AF1? I was not aware of this.

No, but one is always near by. If the President is in Europe, you can believe one of the E4's are in Europe as well. I have seen them several times at ADW. IIRC, one is always in the air 24 hours a day

Would that mean that the President would be flying Air Force One in an Emergency.

AF1 is fully capable of handling any emergency.

and the Vice-President would be in the Doomsdayplane?

Let's say the President is in the middle of a trans pacific crossing on AF1 and there is a strike on the U.S from abroad. They are not going to chance having the top leaders airborne in a crisis. The goal of the Secret Service would be to get the VP underground either at the White House, or any of the several sercret bunkers nearby in the MD,DC,VA area. More than likely they would get him into the one that is located in the mountains on the Maryland/Pennslyvania border.


And wouldn't it be safer if it were on the other side of the world in case something happens to AF1?

Seeing there is more than one, I would say no.

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:16 am

At one time, the E-4s were an "emergency aircraft" for the President, and the VC-25A was seen in a transport/mobile office type role. However, the VC-25As have been upgraded over the years so that their command and control capabilities now rival, and perhaps exceed, those of the E-4s.

Another interesting note... despite the fact that the role of wartime command center has now moved to the VC-25As, the E-4 crews still print up T-shirts along the lines of "We fly the President when it really matters". Go figure  Big grin

EDIT: I forgot to mention that when the E-4s were introduced (74 for the A and 80 for the B) the VC-25A was not yet in service--the much smaller VC-137 was serving the President, and it would have been really hard to squeeze all those electronics on that plane!



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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:34 am

Isn't this plane also referred to as "Kneecap"?

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:41 am

First things first, the E-4B doesn't follow AF1 anywhere. It follows the President. If I remember correct from my days at Offutt AFB it is required to be within an hours time of the president stateside or overseas. The humped radome on top of the fuselage houses an antenna for the Milstar Satellite communication system. The aircraft is not allocated for the VP anymore than the Pres. or his cabinet, it is an airborne operations center with the ability to control DoD assets from the air. These aircraft are NOT airborne 24/7/365, in fact as most spotters can attest, they sit on alert 90% of the time at airports which fringe the Presidents location. Command and control capabilities of the E-4B mirror and/or exceed that of AF1. AF1 was put into service in Sept. of 1990 and was fully capable of controlling the Nuclear Triad assets immediately, no future 'upgrades' were required to bring it up to this status. The only capability upgrades it has received is newer better equipment (as it becomes available) than that which was installed when delivered to the USAF.

P.S. - In fact, the Secret Service IS willing to have the President airborne during an emergency. That is exactly what happened during 9/11. The Pres. was flown from his location in Florida to U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt AFB on AF1 and then later back to D.C.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:54 am

Um..isn't "Air Force One" just the callsign of any aircraft the President is in? If the President is on the E-4B, then won't the E-4B become AF1?

Can the VC-25A and the E-4B withstand the EMP from a nuclear blast? I'm sure they must have thought of someway..otherwise all that sensitive equipment on board can get fried.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:57 am

VC-25A has been upgraded more frequently than the E-4B... thus it may very well be the preffered Command and Control aircraft amongst the two both because of its techynical capabilities as well as its comfort. It is true the E-4 has a few tricks the VC-25A can't match, but rest assured, the VC-25A can do plenty of things nothing else can...

Both the E-4B and the VC-25A are hardened against EMP, though I don't have any details about that (for obvious reasons).

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:44 am

P.S. - In fact, the Secret Service IS willing to have the President airborne during an emergency. That is exactly what happened during 9/11. The Pres. was flown from his location in Florida to U.S. Strategic Command at Offutt AFB on AF1 and then later back to D.C.

You forgot Barksdale AFB first, The Secret Service did not want Bush in the air for too long, hence the stop over as they had no clue what would happen next!

A little background on me if you will, I spent 8 years in the Marine Corps with 4 of those being in the Washington area. I have flown with President Clinton on Marine 1 several times all around the world. I have worked White House detail.

Now Re-read my post,

Let's say the President is in the middle of a trans pacific crossing on AF1 and there is a strike on the U.S from abroad. They are not going to chance having the top leaders airborne in a crisis. The goal of the Secret Service would be to get the VP underground either at the White House, or any of the several sercret bunkers nearby in the MD,DC,VA area. More than likely they would get him into the one that is located in the mountains on the Maryland/Pennslyvania border.

On 9-11, Chaney went underground just like I said in the post. If Bush was in Washington on 9-11, the Secret Service would of had him underground as well.

Um..isn't "Air Force One" just the callsign of any aircraft the President is in? If the President is on the E-4B, then won't the E-4B become AF1?

Providing it is a U.S.A.F aircraft, If he is on a Navy aircraft, it is Navy 1. If he is on a commercial aircraft, it becomes Exeutive 1.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:45 am

Isn't this plane also referred to as "Kneecap"?

Used to be. It was originally the National Emergency Airborne Command Post (NEACP) which was bastardized into Kneecap.

After the Soviet Union collapsed the unit was in search of a mission. Name changed to National Airborne Operations Center (NAOC) to better reflect the new mission. I remember sitting in on briefings at the time where the unit was trying to sell it's capabilities for things like natural disasters, major events, etc. They thought they were going to get cut like Looking Glass did.
Before the 89th got the C-32s the NAOC guys had even horned in on the VIP transport mission, flying SecDef and the JCS Chairman.

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:59 am

Speaking of VIP travel. Who was Clinton's Secretary of State? Albright, I think....anyway she just about flew the wings off of the E-4s.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:00 am

Let's say the President is in the middle of a trans pacific crossing on AF1 and there is a strike on the U.S from abroad. They are not going to chance having the top leaders airborne in a crisis. The goal of the Secret Service would be to get the VP underground either at the White House, or any of the several sercret bunkers nearby in the MD,DC,VA area. More than likely they would get him into the one that is located in the mountains on the Maryland/Pennslyvania border.

I doubt with only 8 years in the Corps you ever got to review any more than your small portion of SIOP.

The best place for the the President to be if the U.S. is under attack is AIRBORNE. That's the whole reason for the E-4s existence. Targeting is very difficult when he's airborne.

On 9/11 they had intel that AF1 had been targeted plus Bush wanted to get on National TV for political reasons. Those are the only reasons he didn't stay airborne.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:02 am

The E-4B is referred to as NEACP(pronounced "kneecap") which stands for National Emergency Airborne Command Post. It is fully staffed with Command Post officers and was intended for the event of a nuclear war. There are only 4 in the U.S. Air Force inventory and they are all based at Offutt AFB. However, there is one on alert status at all times to be in the air within minutes. I am not sure if the alert plane sits at Offutt or sits at Andrews AFB with AF1. It, as well as AF1, is capable of withstanding the EMP from a nuclear black and controlling a battle while the ground below is annihalated.

One always does stay close to the Presidents travels, but usually remains out of site as much as possible(i.e.-in a neighboring country). Even though both aircraft are capabe of waging a war from the air, the best reasoning would be that the President would make all decisions from AF1 and it would be passed on to the battlestaff inside the E-4 to make it happen.

I knew nothing of it until when I was in Air Force Basic Training and we got blood drawn. Everyone else had 3 vials drawn, I had 4. When I asked why, they said that my blood had to be tested for flight status clearance. Well, you can imagine my surprise and happiness that something in my job might require me to fly. It was not until I got to Command and Control training at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS that I realized that a lowly Airman Basic like me would not be allowed to fly in the E-4, it would go to commissioned officers. Of the pictures that I have seen of the inside, most of the staff are Majors, Lt. Colonel's, and bird Colonels. Well, my flight status happiness quickly fell into despair that I wouldn't get to fly as easily as I thought. Oh well, you win some, you lose some.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:04 am

For the record it is now called NAOC. NEACP went away around the same time as SAC.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:20 am

In respose to NEACP becoming NAOC, as of 1997(when I attended Command and Control Specialist training), it was still being referred to and taught as NEACP. So it may have changed, but it would have been around 1997 or later, most likely.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:30 am

OttoPylit: It was NAOC when I left STRATCOM in 2000. And now I can remember one of the conferences when it was changed and it was after 97. As an old SAC guy I reference all changes to when STRATCOM took over.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:45 am

Here's a fun think tank idea here. Recent 747 designs have incorporated using the "unusable space" now above the passenger seating area aft of the upper deck for passenger use. This space should have sufficient head room for several computer stations. The "unused space" could house most of the equipment that the E-4's have now, but with serious upgrades and reduction in size. Then, also have the capability to transfer this information to the conference room during a "war room" situation. (audio, video, displays, etc.) I know that the VC-25's have some incredible equipment on board now, but with these upgrades maybe the next Air Force One could replace the mighty doomsday aircraft.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:52 am

I never knew that the e4 follwed airforce one around.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:25 am

I doubt with only 8 years in the Corps you ever got to review any more than your small portion of SIOP.

The best place for the the President to be if the U.S. is under attack is AIRBORNE. That's the whole reason for the E-4s existence. Targeting is very difficult when he's airborne.

On 9/11 they had intel that AF1 had been targeted plus Bush wanted to get on National TV for political reasons. Those are the only reasons he didn't stay airborne.


Thanks for a voice of reason SATL328G! Of course being Airborne on AF1 is a very good place for the Pres. when there is trouble in the homeland.
Also, the E-4B's do sit on alert at Offutt AFB as well as where ever they are deployed at in support of the Pres. visits/trips.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:43 am

I recently saw a documentary which included numerous surprised and anxious reporters having their cameramen aim aloft while exclaiming, "That's the doomsday plane!" as it took off from, I think, Andrews. The implication was that something big and scary was afoot. I don't recall what the documentary regarded -- I believet that it may have been 9/11, although it could have been something more subtle, like when the capitol was recently evacuated because of a concern about a threat. What was interesting was to see reporters watching various developments and getting pretty anxious as they saw pieces of the National Emergency machinery being activated. I guess they all knew what the "Doomsday Plane" was, and got pretty jittery as they connected its launch to their unfolding story.

(Speaking of which, I still get chills watching the footage of Bush on 9/11. Not the asinine Michael Moore footage, but the footage of the Commander of the First Air Force meeting President Bush on the tarmac by Air Force One in full battle dress and wearing a sidearm. Very different from the usual. Chilling.)

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:36 am

" Albright, I think....anyway she just about flew the wings off of the E-4s. "
Lol, not anymore! In fact she was on the same flight as me about two rows ahead, on a UA flight from DEN-IAD. She's pretty neat, she was coming from skiing in Aspen (we got to chat).
Are there any plans to upgrade Airforce 1 from a 742 to a 744, or a 772/3? Or is it just being rehabilitated/refurbished by the Air Force, as boeing is the #4 corporation in the Military Industrial Compact (MIC)?

Also what "upgrades" do these a/c have from standard 747s?
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:57 am

I BELIVE that the VC-25 is a mix between the 742 and the 744. I would think that the cockpit is fully glass and Probably has a missle warning system and a specail radar.

Many reports say that the upper dech of the VC-25 is where all of the "secret" electonics are operated. With that being said the main role of the VC-25 was to serve the president in case of an nuclear attack. This would mean that it is probably secured agains an EMP.

As for the systems I persoanly belive that there arent that many systems on board. Based on how small and fast computers have gotten im guessing that appart form the various communcation devices the VC-25 should be nothing more than 2-3 super computers. Because all the president really needs is a secure connection to NORAD, the VP (and other members of cabinet) and other goverments. The time of the many flashing lights and buttons to press is over.

One has to remember that the president does not get direct information on a threat. The info is channeled thru NORAD and various other Stations. All the president needs is a line of communication with them. If a base like NORAD is destroyed then even if VC-25 had all the equipment like radar ect... there would be a shortage of people to look at all of them.

Essentiualy the plane is a VERY MODERN communications center for the president BASED ON MY REASERCH AND COMMON SENCE
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:45 am

SATL328G - I was stationed for 2 yrs at RAF Mildenhall, UK. Each time President Bush (41) made a trip to Europe, NEACP, at that time, was at RAF Mildenhall. As a SP, we hated it to see it show as it was a Priority "A" (rightly so) aircraft and we went on 12 hours shifts. Though I personally was never assigned to NEACP security, plenty of my buddies were and dreaded it due to the HIGH security of the aircraft and the prima donna that flew aboard her.

BillElliott9 - Why would Sec of State Albright be flying around on the E-4? She would have use of the C-137 or later on the C-32.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:57 am

BillElliott9 - Why would Sec of State Albright be flying around on the E-4? She would have use of the C-137 or later on the C-32.

The VC-137s had serious reliability issues, particularly with the comm gear. The VIPs were getting cut off on their phone calls quite a bit. Was rather embarassing for the 89th, particularly when SecDef started flying the E-4s due to unreliable VC-137 comms. NAOC guys were happy for the visibility since they were in search of a mission.

These problems were the primary impetus for the C-32 buy. Since many Cabinet members, Congressmen, and DoD higher ups had personal knowledge of the problem the buy went thru without a hitch.

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:07 pm

Thank you SATL328G. Very interesting and as you said, very embarassing.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:04 am

I BELIVE that the VC-25 is a mix between the 742 and the 744. I would think that the cockpit is fully glass and Probably has a missle warning system and a specail radar.

From what I understand, the cockpit is of the -200 design, not the -400 glass cockpit that is depected in the movies.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:25 am

Hey guys,
I didn't know the Doomsday Plane was also called the E-4, otherwise I would have looked here on A.net so forgive me for that!
Anyway, thanks for all the info!

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:30 am

BTW, I thought this particular a/c looked like this-

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:34 am

In official communications the E-4 was referred to as NAOC while I was in STRATCOM prior to 1998. Unofficially acronyms have a way of hanging around long after they've changed, I'm sure lots of folks still call it NEACP.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:30 am

I can account for the serious problems of the Comm system on the C-137B's our two C models had up to date systems. The B models system was dated late 60's or early 70's tech. The MuXX system was always breaking. Can't say what was installed on 26000 and 27000 but was always getting the best and newest when they visited E-Systems Greenville now Raytheon.
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:32 am

Venus,

I was driving the forward stairtruck one night on an arrival when I heard and saw (from the cab) a certain Wing Commander get royally chewed by a certain Vice Pres.

There was no press in the press pit so we knew something was up before acft arrival.

The DV was rather unhappy with the mx status of the aircraft (974, DVs favorite BTW) in particular the comm.

I got the rest of the story later from the stewards. More to it than just comm or mx, but it's not for a.net.

It was shortly thereafter that the C-32 lease deal was announced.
VC-137 replacement program had been slogging along for some years looking for funding and trying to decide on 767 or 757. Once the C-32 lease was announced it was touted as a model procurement program and proceeded rather quickly IIRC. I've often wondered if what I witnessed that night on "the spot" wasn't the start of AFs current 767 tanker dilemma

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Sat Feb 12, 2005 5:25 am

I just did some more digging on the C-32.

Apparently the C-32 acquisition team won a Hammer award from the same Vice Pres. Talk about things that make you say Hmmmmm

"The Air Force made extensive use of commercial practices in its contract negotiations, lease-purchase and eventual operational support of the four aircraft, thereby streamlining the acquisition process and reducing costs. The acquisition team that managed procurement of the C-32, with members from Aeronautical Systems Center's Mobility Mission Group, won the Vice Presidential Hammer Award for significantly reinventing the way the Air Force acquires aircraft. "

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-32.htm

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:55 am

Satl382g

When I was there from 86 to 91 we had this rash of bad luck with all the C-137's out of the country or down with center fuel tank leaks, with the only 3 acft left on station with bladder cells pulled out the higher ups order us to put 74 back together asap, well when we leaked check the bladder in the acft it started to leak profusely with over 20K in it and also the new problem of a indicator probe bad. The 1st MAS CC decided along with 137 lead pilot to take the jet as is. SECDEF Carlucci got on board for a S. America run but had to hop everywhere because of lack of fuel, plus remember back then 74 did not have a APU installed yet.
When 74 got back both pilots looked like if they have been put through a ringer. They both knew that acft had no business leaving Andrews and were wondering if their career dissipation light was glowing.
I remember at the same time the 89th MAW CC was quietly meeting down on the Hill to see about getting new acft , I think it cost him his job of not using proper channels. Everybody wanted the 767 because of the cabin room and seats. I remember GHWB when he was VP would have never dress down his pilots or any of the air or ground crew. I don't know your politics but I think it was a good thing when Al lost

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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Tue Feb 15, 2005 10:30 pm

It was in Nice last week, i saw it, and never knew there was such a plane, until i saw it. Must have something to do with Condaleeza visiting Europe.
 
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:46 am

 
SATL382G
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:08 am

Mike,

For what it's worth whatever you guys did to 974 worked. By the time I got there in '92 it was the aircraft you wanted for tail swap free departures  Smile/happy/getting dizzy.

It was also the airplane I got my incentive ride on (ADW->FRF(RON)->LKH->ADW). Did the maintainers ever get incentive rides? On my ride, and others I handled, there were a LOT of non-crew 1AS folks including a number of "regulars". The ride I got was the only case I'm aware of where any of the APS folks (3 of us, inc. a O-3) got to fly, so I count myself very lucky. It was also my only 707 flight.

Scott AKA SATL382G
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RE: Photos Of Doomsday Plane?

Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:41 pm

Scott AKA SATL382G

No we didn't get any incentive flights, when I flew it was a trip to Moscow in February or accompany the acft to Greenville Texas, never got to fly that much. When an Australia trip came up I saw the crew manifest fill up with 4 guys deep every crew position and a hot looking blond LT that worked in intell and by not taking the SP's and only flying with one Flight Mechanic which they usually did anyway. Like I said I got the Moscow in February trip by way of Shannon then Helsinki can you say -60 degrees Fahrenheit. Your trip sounded like a recruiting trip for new crew, very rarely did I fly into USAF bases for support.

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