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Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:47 pm

Hi Folks...
A question regarding the past aircraft of both the Blue Angels & the Thunderbirds. Which aircraft did they have in common? Or to put it another way...what same aircraft model did they both use? I can only think of one... the F-4 Phantom. Were there any others? All replies appreciated. Regards.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:51 pm

The F-4 Phantom was the only plane used by both the USAF Thunderbirds and the USNavy Blue Angels. Both, iirc, from 1969-72, with one or the other perhaps using them til '74.

The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.

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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Mar 05, 2005 2:04 pm

Thanks, HaveBlue. You've put to rest that nagging question for me. A great, and now classic aircraft indeed.  Wink Regards.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:01 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
The F-4 Phantom was the only plane used by both the USAF Thunderbirds and the USNavy Blue Angels. Both, iirc, from 1969-72, with one or the other perhaps using them til '74.

The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.

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USAF and USN (not certain about the USMC) have all also operated the A-7 (which would have been fun to see as an aerobatic team aircraft). Though not all combat-used, all 3 services have operated the F-16 as well.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
The F-4 is also the only fixed wing combat aircraft used by the USMC, USAF and USN... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.


The Skyraider was used by USAF, USN, and by USMC. Under different MDSs of course....

http://skyraider.org/skyassn/index.htm

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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 1):
... the US Army of course not being allowed to have fixed wing combat aircraft.


Ahh yes. But I do recall OV-1 Mohawks with .50 cal in a pod under the wing, and of course, my favorite, the L-19 with rockets.

The rockets were not offensive weapons, of course, they were just to mark targets. That is why we used "HE Smoke" with a 30 meter burst radius - to mark targets.

Very few aircraft bought by all branches. The Huey. The UH-60 I beleive, in its many variants. The C-47 was fairly common in the Vietnam era Army.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:38 am

Turning away from the combat role for a moment...how about the C-130 Herk?
Of course we know the USAF & the USMC has them, perhaps the USN as well?
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:45 am

Spacepope, the last time I made this comment someone replied with the A-7, and I thought perhaps the A-7 was the exception. However, it was determined that the SLUFF was never used by the Marines.

SATL382G, it appears that the A-1 is indeed the exception. So I'd have to modify my comment to say that the F-4 was the only jet combat aircraft used by all 3 services  Smile

SlamClick, every time I make the comment and think about the USArmy the OV-1 pops into my head. But even with the 50 cal I'm not sure it would be defined as a 'combat' aircraft. I know its splitting hairs at some points, and I wasn't even aware that the Mohawk had ever had the cannon (rather just when picturing Army fixed wing it is the closest thing to combat looking they had), but what was the 50 used for? Self defense or killing light targets? The bird dogs weren't forgotten, but they were clearly just observation planes with spotting duties.

About the Huey, yeah that's why I specified fixed wing. My old man flew the Huey in Nam and still flies them civilian today, so that has always been one of my babies, and almost everybody who had an oppurtunity to use the great UH-1 has at some point or another. Superbness that it is, heh. And yes, Blackhawk, Seahawk, Nighthawk, Jayhawk, adnauseum... the Hueys replacement is doing quite well with all depts.

FlagshipAZ yes the C-130 is used by all 3 as well. Good point, though not combat I hadn't thought of that one.

I heard the line about the F-4 being the only combat aircraft used by all the service a long time ago, and though there are non combat exceptions, I think I'll stick with it for the time being  Smile
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:09 am

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 7):
SATL382G, it appears that the A-1 is indeed the exception. So I'd have to modify my comment to say that the F-4 was the only jet combat aircraft used by all 3 services


Northrop F-5 was also operated by all three services. F-5 was a jet combat aircraft, but it could be argued that USN & USMC never operated them in a combat role.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:19 am

BTW: There was a fixed wing aircraft used in combat operations by the US Army, Navy, and Marines. The B-25 / PBJ. Not sure if the USAF used it in a combat role after USAF was formed.

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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:25 am

SATL382G...
I'm not sure about this, but the B-25 may have been used by the USAF in the late 1940s as a VIP transport. I remember seeing pics of the arcraft in this role, but again I'm not sure if the USAF has ever used it after the branch was spun off from the USAAF in 1947. Regards.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:17 am

Flagship,

I know USAF continued using the B-25 as a hack and VIP transport after it split off from the Army... I'm just not sure if it was used in a combat role.

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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:34 pm

If I'm not mistaken the only time an F-5 has been used in a combat role is when we exported it to other countries. We have used it for advesary training and chase plane duties, but I don't think one of our F-5's have ever fired in anger. Could be wrong on that, but even if the USAF used the F-5 in combat (they did send a few to Vietnam), the USN and USMC certainly did not.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:39 pm

Google is your friend...

Two words: Skoshi Tiger

http://1000aircraftphotos.com/PRPhotos/NorthropF-5.htm
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:53 pm

Alrighty SATL382G, I stand corrected on the USAF F-5's. They clearly were used in combat. But they don't defy the F-4 statement, unless you can find that they were used by the USN and USMC in combat  Smile
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (reply 14):
unless you can find that they were used by the USN and USMC in combat


Nope, and I said so when I brought up the F-5.

Truth be told though, there are probably a number of combat types that were operated by all the services. If I wanted to do the digging I'd probably start with the Jenny, and then look at B-24, B-17, and Hudson. Trick being to find a USMC connection.....  Smile
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting SlamClick (reply 5):
L-19 with rockets.


There also attempted to use the bird dog in a "Baby Puff" role. They mounted a pair of M60C's out the side so it could fire down into the center of a circle just like the AC-47/119/130's did.



Quoting HaveBlue (reply 7):
But even with the 50 cal I'm not sure it would be defined as a 'combat' aircraft.


In later life it ended it's service life as a spyplane carrying a SLAR. However it was developed as a FAC. Sort of in the same train of thought as the OV10.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Mar 06, 2005 1:49 pm

I thought the original topic was what same aircraft did the B-Angels and T-birds fly at the same time. And that would be the F-4 Phantom. Long live the Phantom.
 
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:33 am

That was the original topic Wilsonjcobb, and it was answered in the first reply. But I also thought it would be interesting to note that not only was the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom the only plane used by both services demo teams, but that it was the... let me word this carefully... the only fixed wing aircraft used in a combat role by the USAF, USN and USMC.

And since the original topic was answered in the first post, I don't think its a bad thing that the rest of the thread has dealt with the latter statement  Smile
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Tue Mar 29, 2005 9:56 am

The USAF Thunderbirds flew the F-4E

The USN Blue Angels flew the F-4J

Nobody has mentioned the F-16Ns the Navy flew for a while, in the aggressor role. They were a Navy version of the F-16A with some of the F-16C avionics.

Of course, there was also the USN F-111B, IIRC 24 were built and flown to DM.

During WWII the B-17, B-24 and B-25 were operated by bothe the USN and the USAAF, at the same time.

The USMC operated the F-86 along side of USAF F-86s.

The USN also operated two KC-135As.
 
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Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:14 am

The USAF ,USMC,USN and USAF all used the UH-1 Huey and it sure saw combat with all 4 services.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:45 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 20):
The USAF ,USMC,USN and USAF all used the UH-1 Huey and it sure saw combat with all 4 services

UH-1s in combat with USAF? I thought it just ferried crews to the missile fields and Congress around D.C.....
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:12 am

Glad to see my thread being used again. I certainly appreciate all of your replies & information, gentlemen. I've learned alot here just on this topic, even when it got slightly off track here, it was enjoyable all the same.
Keep them coming, guys. All the best.  Wink
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:06 pm

Another aircraft that deserves some mention as serving in combat with multiple services is the H-60, used by all branches, to include the Coast Guard. I assume drug interdiction could be counted as combat.

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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:06 am

Didn't the F-86 serve in all three services? Albeit under a different designation for the Navy/Marines as the FJ-2.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:38 am

Venus yes the Huey was operated by all the services, but I think a few helicopters would meet that criteria. That's why I said 'fixed wing'  Smile

And Hemispheres, I think you may be on to something. I wasn't aware that the USMC had used Sabers. Interesting.
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 25):
Hemispheres, I think you may be on to something. I wasn't aware that the USMC had used Sabers. Interesting.

Yeah the Marines had six squadrons that operated the navalized F-86, the FJ-2. This web page has a good history on the FJ-2 http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p86_20.html
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:04 am

Anyone know if the Angels are going to the super hornet?
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RE: Blue Angels/T-birds Aircraft In Common.

Sat Apr 09, 2005 4:08 am

So much for the topic about Blue Angels and Thunderbirds.  whistleblower   wink 
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