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Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:49 pm

very cool sites

http://www.k26.com/buran/Info/energia_-_buran.html



if you want to go to the best one of all go to


www.buran.ru


because it is in russian you first have to use this free web translation programme http://worldlingo.com/en/websites/url_translator.html
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:01 pm

here is another link


http://www.buran.ru/htm/molniya.htm


http://www.buran.ru/images/jpg/mria&bu7.jpg













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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:54 am

Or you can just click on the bottom right where it says English Version Alberchico  Smile
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:33 am

One of the prototypes used for inflight testing was for sal a while ago.



It could be used to do tourist flights with a burran..
http://www.buran.ru/htm/fotoinv.htm
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Sat Mar 12, 2005 2:48 am

Alberchico .....Fantastic Picture.
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:33 pm

the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?


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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:27 pm

Keesje:

Excellent picture - thats only the second I've ever seen with the turbojets mounted at the shoulders of the rear fuselage. They were mounted there for the early atmospheric flight tests.

BTW: I have seen Buran heat shield tiles for sale in catalogs of surplus Russian military hardware. They make great heat shields for the exhaust systems on homebuilt aircraft...
 
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Tue Mar 15, 2005 5:14 pm

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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Wed Mar 23, 2005 11:00 am

the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?
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It was in terms of cargo capacity. You could say the US shuttle was more reusable because the Solid Rocket Boosters and main engines were reusable. The US orbiter is an integral part of its booster system, the Soviet orbiter was basically strapped on to an Energia rocket as payload.

Niether system was superior to the conventional rockets they were supposed to replace. They cost a great deal more per launch and the only real benefit they give is the ability to rendesvous with something in space and bring it back - and there are much cheaper and more effective means to get this capability if it is ever really needed. They were both boondoggles, and both space programs would have been much further along by now if niether had been built. NASA blind, and the Russians, also blind, followed what NASA was doing. When the blind lead the blind, both fall over a cliff.
 
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:23 am

I thought the only Buran was destroyed when the hanger it was in collasped due to high accumilation of snow? Was that why we couldn't use it while the US shuttle was grounded due to the Columbia accident?
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Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 9):
Was that why we couldn't use it while the US shuttle was grounded due to the Columbia accident?

"We" couldn't use it after the Columbia accident because the prototype had been sitting in a Moscow park for about a decade. Such a contigency wasn't even seriously considered post-Columbia. The Buran never reached opperational status.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?

It would have been, but it never reached opperational capability...
 
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:15 pm

No cosmonauts ever even flew aboard Snowflake, or Snowstorm, or whatever Buran means, did they? Buran did have an advantage over the Shuttle in that it could be flown entirely by remote control. The Shuttle requires a crew.
 
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 5):
the website claims that the buran was superior to the U.S Shuttle . Can anybody confirm this ?

No. Buran never got past gliding prototype status and there were nigh insurmountable problems with systems integration and functionality.

It was a prestige project by the Soviets that did nothing more than assist in their bankrupting.
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Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:26 am

AFAIK; there was one manned space flight with a prototype, but shortly afterwards the program ran out of funds.

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Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:32 am

There was never a manned spaceflight with the Buran. It flew one mission, by remote control. And never flew again.
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:52 pm

So it is not destroyed? That's what I want to know. With proper funding and maintenence, can it be brought to life? or is it just old news?
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Sun Mar 27, 2005 3:06 am

Being as the USSR, with a then focused programme and with then less budgetary constraints and no overt political opposition struggled to make Buran operational, before the USSR imploded taking a large part of their space programme with it, I cannot imagine this long dormant programme coming back.

The last best chance was around 1992, when ESA finally dropped the vainglorious Hermes mini shuttle, they might have been minded to put some cash and maybe some help (avionic systems?) Russia's way to provide in a few years a alternate craft to the US Shuttle.

Buran was a terrible mistake, after the long delayed, technically fraught Soviet Manned Lunar programme, finally wound down in 1974, those who had fought hardest to achieve this, got what they wanted, a rival to the US Shuttle, which these Kremlin hard men had convinced themselves was some kind of orbital bomber, a first strike weapon against the USSR.
While Shuttle had military applications, these did not include being a weapon system itself.

Those in the Russian agency concerned with actual space exploration, who's worked on the Mir programme for example, were dismayed at Buran, seeing it as an unnecessary extravagance, they might have wanted an eventual Soyuz replacement, but something much more modest than Buran.
However, it is sad that the Energia vehicle was lost, that heavy lifter could have been very useful, considering NASA's apparent new commitment to exploration beyond Low Earth Orbit.
 
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:34 pm

Just as an Information: at the moment the Testbed Buran 002 is sitting in the Desert in Bahrain. But the Spacecraft last year was sold to the Technik-Museum in Speyer, Germany (see: www.technik-museum.de) where it will be transported to during 2005.
The Buran 002 is the one used for the suborbital testflights (25 altogether) with separate engines.
 
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:25 am

Energia is the really useful part in all of this. And I have to wonder how it would compare flying a Shuttle aboard the 747 versus the An-225. Wouldn't that be a sight?
 
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Fri Apr 01, 2005 5:41 pm

Buran was a terrible mistake, after the long delayed, technically fraught Soviet Manned Lunar programme, finally wound down in 1974, those who had fought hardest to achieve this, got what they wanted, a rival to the US Shuttle, which these Kremlin hard men had convinced themselves was some kind of orbital bomber, a first strike weapon against the USSR.
While Shuttle had military applications, these did not include being a weapon system itself.
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This is true. The Soviets knew even back then that the promise of low-cost access to space through the "reusable" shuttle was a pile of bull. They thought it was just a cover, and that the shuttle's primary purpose was military. They gave us way to much credit. NASA really believed its own bull. When this became clear to everyone, it was to late and the damage had already been done. Both space programs stagnated as money fell into the shuttle sinkhole and competition died down.
 
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:13 pm

I'm not sure exactly how many Buran protytpes there were, but I've heard that if you count those that weren't completed it could have been as many as ten.

I visited one of them in (?) 1998 or 1999 on a school trip to Moscow: one of them is in Gorky (?) Park right beside the River Moskva, and there is a fairly lame space 'simulator' inside. One of the female attendants was particularly sniffed at my schoolboy question as to why Buran looked so much like the American shuttle.

Her responce was along the lines of: "It's a space shuttle, space shuttles look like this..."

Memories of Concordski... a potentially superior lookalike that never had the chance.

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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:27 pm

I don´t think the Buran was a mistake, no Buran, no AN-225.
As far as it´s result, 2 orbits and pretty burnt when landing by remote controll, 50cm from the center line on the landing strip...
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RE: Info About Buran Space Shuttle

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:08 pm

I don´t think the Buran was a mistake, no Buran, no AN-225.
As far as it´s result, 2 orbits and pretty burnt when landing by remote controll, 50cm from the center line on the landing strip...
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Do you realize what could have been done with the money spent on Buran had it been spent wisely? Yes, the AN-225 looks cool. As does the Buran itself. But having a Mir as big as the fully built ISS, or even a manned trip to Mars, would have been better. The Shuttle should have been a game ending mistake for us in space. The Russians would be calling all the shots in space had they not followed our folly. And there would be plenty left to build a jumbo cargo plane, if thats what interests you.

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