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Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:21 am

New launch date: 22 May.

Not a surprise really....

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/04/20/space.shuttle.ap/index.html
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:07 am

NASA knows they shouldn't take any chance at this point, they will not launch the shuttle until they're more than confident that everything is alright...

I wish them well and look forward to seeing that beauty blasting into the sky!  Smile
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:25 pm

Quoting SATL382G (Thread starter):
New launch date: 22 May.

Not a surprise really

I guess I'll have to change my hotel reservations in Orlando.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Fri Apr 22, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 2):
I guess I'll have to change my hotel reservations in Orlando.

I would cancel for now, wait until about a week before the thing is supposed to go to book. They can still push it back a few more weeks to say nothing of the @ launch time delays.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
They can still push it back a few more weeks to say nothing of the @ launch time delays.

No kidding. We're getting into thunderstorm season. I've made atleast 10 trips across country to watch launches that have been scrubbed for t-storms, wind, lighting within the designated launch radius, poor TAL weather, ETC. ETC. You know the deal. However, I have been fortunate enough to actually see 3 of them, including Columbia's final flight. I think your advice about the hotel is prudent.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Fri Apr 22, 2005 11:25 am

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 4):
I have been fortunate enough to actually see 3 of them

Have you seen a landing?
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
Have you seen a landing?

I've never seen a landing, however the sonic booms have scared the hell out of me a few times when landing at EDW. Not a fun way to wake up in the morning.  tired 
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting UAopsMGR (Reply 6):
I've never seen a landing, however the sonic booms have scared the hell out of me a few times when landing at EDW. Not a fun way to wake up in the morning.

LOL
That's what I was getting at.. Besides seeing a white dot become something pretty significant, the only thing that I think (speed and decent rates aside) that is cool about the landing is the double boom.
I have only seen it/heard it once, before I moved to central Florida after the Columbia disaster.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sat Apr 23, 2005 1:14 am

Don't take this wrong - I think the USA needs to continue to press on with space exploration in a big way - but am I alone in thinking we're really wasting a lot of frickin' money on NASA?

The shuttle never has done what it was advertised to do - too long to recover between flights; way, way over cost; prone to break-down (because they are OLD); etc.

When will NASA get their heads out of the asses and 'reinvent the wheel' with a newer, better, safer spacecraft?
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
When will NASA get their heads out of the asses and 'reinvent the wheel' with a newer, better, safer spacecraft?

I guess you don't get much in the way of timely news up there do you? Bush has funded and the new NASA admin is behind beating the goal of developing the CEV before 2016.

Yeah the space shuttle was a boondoggle from the word go, and I think that ultimately humans in space is an excersize in futility, but Damn it's fun to watch them go up!!
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Don't take this wrong - I think the USA needs to continue to press on with space exploration in a big way - but am I alone in thinking we're really wasting a lot of frickin' money on NASA?

What's NASAs budget? Maybe 1 percent of the federal budget.. DoD alone wastes more than that.

The trouble with shuttle started when Congress tried to cut shuttle devlopment costs. So NASA got DoD involved to share costs. DoD imposed requirements above and beyond what NASA needed and nearly doubled the costs. The capabilities DoD insisted on have never been used. Then Congress refused to fund development of a reusable liquid booster - so NASA went with the cheaper but more dangerous solid booster, approx $4 billion went down the shitter on that decision alone (Challenger disaster)....

If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.

Here Here!!
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
I guess you don't get much in the way of timely news up there do you? Bush has funded and the new NASA admin is behind beating the goal of developing the CEV before 2016.

I get plenty of news here - even the same day  crazy .

I simply opine that the result for the $$$ spent is less than adequate. Shit, that's my opinion - it could be incorrect - but I'm entitled to it. Dang fellas!

I see a bunch of money sitting in 3 Shuttles and nothing is flying.

As originally envisioned, the shuttle was to literally be a space plane, reusable on a rapid turn around basis. The Columbia disaster notwithstanding I think it's reliability to be much less than adequate.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 10):
If were going to do space exploration we need to give NASA the resources it needs to do the job right in the first place and then get out of the way.

I would absolutely concur - as long as there is result for the money.

I, for one, simply don't see it. Sorry fellaz.

I'm all for space exploration - hell I think we should have already colonized the moon and should have landed men on Mars a decade ago . . . so don't take my opinion the wrong way . . . . I am on your side of the argument, just posting a question of concern . . . .
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:11 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
I would absolutely concur - as long as there is result for the money.

For the record, I also believe it's too expensive. Trouble is though, to complain about the cost now is to complain 30 years too late. If we want to reduce the cost now we'll have to spend even more dough to develop something new that's cheaper to operate. Guess what? There's no $$$ to develop something that's cheaper. NASA is generating development cash for CEV by cutting programs that don't support Ws Exploration vision, like aeronautics. Which states have NASA Centers that are taking cuts in aeronautics programs? California (Ames), Ohio (Glenn), and Virginia (Langley).

If we want resource efficient space exploration, we need to pay the piper up front. Can't have it both ways.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:06 pm

Im am thinking of coming down to Titusville for the launch. The date is now July 13th - 31st. Anyone got a more exact date?
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:09 pm

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 14):
Im am thinking of coming down to Titusville for the launch. The date is now July 13th - 31st. Anyone got a more exact date?

While at Paris for the show, Griffin promised the ISS partners that NASA would establish a firm launch date by 30 June.
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:53 pm

Roger that, thanks.

Anyone else going? Miller High Life on ice and countdown from Cocoa Beach?
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:28 pm

Your best info is here: http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/la...s/launchDetails.asp?calendarId=106

Currently the 13th IS the NET date and scheduled launch date (Time: 03:45:00 PM EST ) , and they have 5 days to 'mess around with' between now and then. I wouldn't bet the farm on the 13th, but whatever you do, do not book anything until a few days before launch (IE the 10th at this time)
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:35 am

I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased but are not to set to ship until about a week before actual launch.

If STS-114 does not make the estimated lift-off date I will be forced to take a few side trips down to the Keys. OH DARN!!

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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:52 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased but are not to set to ship until about a week before actual launch.

How did you order them - online? Id like to buy tickets for this launch!
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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
I have plans to watch from the Visitors area and tickets are purchased

Nope.... not unless you have tickets for the launch. The only way to get on the island for that day is to have tickets in advance.
Titusville will be your next best bet.

Quoting Okie (Reply 18):
If STS-114 does not make the estimated lift-off date I will be forced to take a few side trips down to the Keys. OH DARN!!

Good backup!!   

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 19):
How did you order them - online? Id like to buy tickets for this launch!

Here: http://www.ksctickets.com/kennedyspacecenter/

Correction: http://www.ksctickets.com/ltt.html is the correct link, but looks like 114 is mostly sold out...If you do not already have tickets, you will have to watch from off the island.

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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:31 am

Yes, ordered tickets months ago on line from above link that TedTAce has for you. They are suppose to ship to arrive about 1 week before launch. Since the Columbia mishap and after 9-11 they do not let anyone very close anymore because of "security reasons" All public viewing areas are at least a few miles away now. Boo!!! All public viewing areas are where you cannot see the launch until the shuttle clears the trees.

I have heard from friends that the launches are really spectacular!!! It makes a lot of noise and smoke from the Solid Rocket Boosters. Sort of get to see some of my tax money go up in smoke so to speak. Right now waffling around on vacation plans until they get a firmer launch date.
Once I get the tickets then I will fill my pockets full of money to keep the H2 full of gas and make a few stops along the way otherwise I would fly but I figure there will be at least one delay of several days and go on down to the Keys.

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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Jun 26, 2005 5:46 pm

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RE: Shuttle Launch Pushed Back A Week

Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:52 pm

Quoting Bjornstrom (Reply 22):
One of the coolest things i've seen - I'd like to get closer next time

You can try Coco and 'Jetty point' park  Wink
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