YANQUI67
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Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:31 am

This is an awesome video of S-3 doing its thing on the boat. http://www.grassyknollproductions.com/Videos/Landing.mpeg Enjoy!

[Edited 2005-06-07 04:37:54]
 
DeltaGuy
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:37 am

Wow, the link didn't work too well!

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:40 am

Try it now, I added the wrong link, it works now, Sorry!
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:52 am

it was still downloading, but it never showed?

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:08 pm

Wow - very interesting to see a trap from a perspective most of us will never get to see!
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:31 pm

Finally downloaded...man, that thing sounds like a Hoover even inside the cockpit! And I thought they just sounded like that from the LSO platform  Silly

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:45 pm

Excellent!!Very good! you can hear the sound of the engines right before touchdown, that goes up, just in case that the pilot misses the approach.Right?

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:04 pm

Bleedin hell, what a freaky landing.

Dont think i ever want to do that
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:49 pm

That's a superb film clip, there is some real skill involved in making it look that easy! Visibility from the S-3 cockpit is very good as well.

Hey DeltaGuy, can't believe that you want to go onto the F/A-18E Super Hornet after seeing that, you are a Hoover man underneath really. You know you want to...

LOL!  Wink

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:03 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
you can hear the sound of the engines right before touchdown, that goes up, just in case that the pilot misses the approach.Right?

Correct - standard practice is for naval aviators to increase to military thrust until they feel the aircraft come to a complete stop in case they bolter or some other occurance happens.
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 9):
Correct - standard practice is for naval aviators to increase to military thrust until they feel the aircraft come to a complete stop in case they bolter or some other occurance happens.

Nope, it is SOP for jet guys to go to MIL upon touchdown. The prop guys just add about "a knob" of power... since it is virtually instantaneous (no spool up time) lift.  Wink
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:07 pm

And now you understand why Navy pilots ARE the best.
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:37 am

of course, they are the best of the best.

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:03 am

Back in 91 I trapped aboard the USS Enterprise in a US-3A Viking. Its an S-3 without the ASW gear, it has seats for passengers instead. They have been retired for a while now. It was in the North Arabian Sea. I about chit my pants. It was he scariest thing I ever had done and also the most exciting. I sat right behind the pilot. It was awesome, that was my first time aboard the boat. what way to go. I also have two more traps aboard USS Abe Lincoln flying on the C-2 Greyhound. It was not as cool as the S-3 though.
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:40 am

Fly Navy! Can you guys believe most of the student navy pilots when they do their first trap in the T-45 only have like around 250 hours if they didnt have any prior flight time before they joined the Navy.
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 8):
Hey DeltaGuy, can't believe that you want to go onto the F/A-18E Super Hornet after seeing that, you are a Hoover man underneath really. You know you want to...

Oh you bet sir  Wink You know I like flying with 3 screaming kids in the cockpit with me, whilst sounding like a common house-hold cleaning applicance  Silly Sure beats going fast lol.

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:26 pm

Quoting Yanqui67 (Reply 13):
flying on the C-2 Greyhound. It was not as cool as the S-3 though.

But considerably more difficult to fly onto the ship.

Quoting Daveflys0509 (Reply 14):
Can you guys believe most of the student navy pilots when they do their first trap in the T-45 only have like around 250 hours if they didnt have any prior flight time before they joined the Navy.

Not unless USN has drastically increased the length and expense of its pilot training program. My first visit to "Lady Lex" was with a grand total of ~130 hours... 75 in primary (T28) and 55 in intermediate strike (T2C). That was slightly below the average for the time. 150-170 was the norm, but training schedules all revolve around CV availability.

Back then (1980-81) most jet drivers did NOT "qualify" their first CV visit. They didn't get enough traps. It was more of a "disqual" period... if you can't get it aboard a CV, USN stops investing time/money in additional pilot training. Jet drivers' actual CV "qualification" came during Advanced Strike training... when they had ~250 hours. As an E2/C2 "draftee" I received additional Traps (over two days) and completed my Carrier Qualification that first visit.
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:45 am

Nice clip! Thanks a lot!

By the way, does anyone have any photo of the cockpit of S-3?

Thanks in advance!
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:56 am

After a Yahoo search, I turned up these pics and this article http://development.simhq.com/_air2/air_081a.html

http://development.simhq.com/_air2/images/air2_081a_014.jpg

http://development.simhq.com/_air2/images/air2_081a_003.jpg

http://development.simhq.com/_air2/images/air2_081a_008.jpg

http://development.simhq.com/_air2/images/air2_081a_010.jpg

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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:07 pm

Is it just me, or is there smoke in the cockpit in that second pic Garnett?

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YANQUI67
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:18 pm

The smoke you see is the AC at work. Ice chunks fly out of the vents. It works very well and you freeze your butt off. I remember it very well. My teeth were chattering.
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:13 am

AAR90 did you end up flying the Hawkeye or COD?
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting Daveflys0509 (Reply 21):
AAR90 did you end up flying the Hawkeye or COD?

In a roundabout way... both. 2000+ hrs E2C w/VAW117, then 600+ hrs E2B, E2C, TE2A, TE2C, C2A as IP and ASO w/VAW110.
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:56 am

I still think we have the better idea, stop... then land, rather than land and hope you stop, ahh, the Harrier  cool 
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:09 am

AAR90 how did the selection process work after you got winged and went to the RAG to figure out whether you'd fly E2 or C2's
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:46 pm

Quoting Daveflys0509 (Reply 24):
AAR90 how did the selection process work after you got winged and went to the RAG to figure out whether you'd fly E2 or C2's

I was a naïve, ignorant student naval aviator at the time so I don’t truly know. I was drafted into the program while in Intermediate Strike training (flying T2C Buckeye). Seems there was a whole bunch of pilots in the E2 RAG’s that were failing Carrier Qualifications (and going P-3's) so the Navy needed a batch of new pilots in a hurry. Training Command was tasked with providing 6 prospective E2 pilots for the next CQ period and… wrong place at the wrong time? (depends upon how one looks at things).  Wink

I flew the newly created training syllabus based upon “jet grades required” for anybody headed to a CV squadron assignment. USN pulled me out of the Intermediate Strike (T2C Buckeye) training about 2/3 of the way compete, doubled the CV landings in that program so I was Carrier Qualified, then sent to an abbreviated Advanced Multi-Engine (T44A) program (less than 1/3 the normal flights/sims). Then it was off to one of the RAGs based upon your orders. For me those orders came a week after winging (sat around w/bags packed watching my friends fly). At that time most C2 guys were picked from the bottom of the RAG students whenever a C2 squadron needed another pilot. USN simply reassigned someone who was headed to a VAW squadron (that wasn’t hurting as bad as the others) and everybody "shuffled" to wherever USN needed you. Ultimately my orders were changed (day before my NATOPS evaluation in E2B) to VAW-117 (E2C, lots and lots of differences).

When I came back to the RAG as IP/ASO the Training Command E2/C2 program has stabilized with folks arriving at the RAG with orders to specific E2 or C2 squadrons so the RAG could specialize their entire training program to the type of bird they were headed for in the fleet. At that time the RAG flew TE2A, TE2C, E2B, E2C (4 different versions) and C2A(R). As ASO and PacFlt Evaluator I was qualified to qualify all instructors in all airplanes as well as being the first choice for NARFNI test flights. Thought that was pretty neat deal back then, but not something I'd wish for today. I’m very happy AA’s 738 fleet is ONE TYPE (unlike the 757/767 fleet) with all planes configured exactly the same!
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:58 am

I love that video! Thanks for sharing.
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:38 am

Excellent story AAR90!! Yeah I'd say things in the program have stabilized since then, or I hope  Wink. As an inspiring tailhook turboprop pilot, would you recommend the E-2 or C-2? I bet flying one type of 737 is certainly a relief instead of learning systems continously for a bunch of different airplanes, the NATOPS always has a good way of puting you to sleep.  Smile
 
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RE: Cool S-3 Viking Cokpit Carrier Landing Video

Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:41 pm

Quoting Daveflys0509 (Reply 27):
As an inspiring tailhook turboprop pilot, would you recommend the E-2 or C-2?

E-2 by far. Much more interesting missions. If you pay attention, you will learn more about how an entire USN CV Battle Group fights a war in just one year than the average 20+ year USN officer. You have to learn a lot about everybody else's job because the E-2's job is to make everybody else a whole lot more effective.
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