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Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:46 pm

Recently signed Defense deal between USA & INDIA.
Whats its Advantage.Any details/views.
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:43 pm

Do you have a link or a reference to read?
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:17 pm

I don't think any deal has been signed for any equipment, but that an agreement was extended offering certain military vehicles like the F-16 for example. I have not heard whether or not India will take them up on this offer. The US did this because they were going to sell Pakistan some F-16's and they wanted India to have an equal opportunity as well.
 
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Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:29 pm

Its on Yeaterdays paper,A Copy from the E-Paper of the Times of India.

India, US sign landmark defence treaty

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

Washington: India and the US have signed a tenyear defence relationship agreement that gives credence to the Bush administration’s pledge to help India become a major world power in the 21st century.
Hugely ambitious in its size and scope, the agreement envisages a broad range of joint activities, including collaborating in multinational operations “when it is in their common interest’’ (outside the peacekeeping domain), strengthening the capabilities of the two militaries to promote security and defeat terrorism, and enhancing capabilities to combat the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.
India is the only country to have such broad treaties with erstwhile Cold War rivals, US and Russia. (See Page 15)
The ‘New Framework for the US-India Defense Relationship (NFDR)’ signed on Monday by defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and defence minister Pranab Mukherjee is more expansive than the Next Steps in Strategic Partnership, which both sides concluded was too limited in its scope. The NFDR builds on the Agreed Minute on Defense Relations signed between the two countries in January 1995 which had also run its course and needed an infusion of energy and political will, officials said.
“Since then, changes in the international security environment have challenged our countries in ways unforeseen ten years ago. Today, we agree on a new framework that builds on past successes, seizes new opportunities, and charts a course for the US-India defence relationship for the next ten years,’’ the signed document said.
Some modest results flowing from the agreement will be apparent in the next few weeks and months while other ambitious projections, which are more in the nature of statements of intent, will take longer to fructify. In the immediate context, the two sides will sign an agreement on ‘Research, Development, Testing and Evaluation’ that will result in closer cooperation in defence R&D.
They will also sign a Letter of Acceptance on naval pilot training to prepare Indian pilots to use the new aircraft carrier New Delhi is acquiring. Indian officers will be stationed in the Pacific Command and Central Command for coordination.

US offers India latest missile tech

From Chidanand Rajghatta /TNN
Washington: As part of the new defence deal, the US has offered to advance the briefing on the Patriot PAC-III system, pointing to its readiness to bring India up to speed on the latest technology. It had earlier offered the Patriot II system.
But it is the long list of intent laid out in the agreement that is staggering in its scope and latitude. It talks of increasing opportunities for technology transfer, collaboration, co-production, R&D, including cooperation in missile defence, with the implicit understanding that tech sanctions against India will be withdrawn. There is a pledge to “increase exchanges of intelligence’’. The framework agreement also envisages what is tantamount to the US and India jointly policing the world. Besides strengthening the ability of their respective militaries to respond quickly to disaster situations, including in combined operations, the two sides will assist in building worldwide capacity to conduct successful peacekeeping operations.
This will involve training forces from other countries. The agreement does not preclude India’s right to its independent views. Asked at a news conference after the talks how he reconciled the US striving to maintain dominance in a unipolar world and India’s vision of a multipolar world, Mukherjee said he didn’t expect convergence or agreement on all issues at all times.


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Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:22 am

The focus is building a means to contain China.
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:45 am

Ok, we didn´t like the nuclear test, but w´re over it

please don´t forget us when you continue spending billions

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Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 5):
please don´t forget us when you continue spending billions



Quoting Tnsaf (Reply 4):
The focus is building a means to contain China.

The idea is to be an ally to the worlds largest democracy. The Indian defense outlays will more than likely be spent right in their country as much as possible. If they buy 100 airplanes here or there, they will attempt to do what they have done with every other package up to now and at least assemble them in India.

The main crux is to help out and partner with a nation that is growing into a serious ally in an unstable part of the world.
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:00 am

To all:

I believe that the emergence of China as a world-class economic power will undoubtedly be followed by China becoming a world-class military power also.
This does not imply that China is not a military power at present. What I am suggesting is that China will eventually build military forces which are capable of projecting power outside of China's regional sphere, ala the US/NATO or the old Soviet Union. This has got to be a mutual concern of India and the US and it would be wise of both to move away from the antagonisms of the Cold War era and begin to emulate the success of the economic relationship developed over the recent years to include mutual security concerns. This will, of course, not be easy. Indian suspicions of US support for a decidedly un-democratic Pakistan and US suspicions of India's long-standing relationship with the Soviets will take time, diplomacy, military cooperation and a continuation of the economic relationship to overcome, but juxtaposed against the potential threats of the future( terrorism, nuclear proliferation, rogue states, China), the old concerns pale towards lesser significance.

The above agreement represents a positive step and the comments from politicians indicates a realistic assessment of the situation exists in both Dehli and Washington. We'll watch the future for developments.

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Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:36 pm

Interesting deal. Now India should get into a long term strategic agreement with China as well, based on furthering economic ties as well as a military relationship that lets both nations secure and gain greater direct control over energy supplies and raw materials in the region for our development.
 
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The Secret is Get Strong Economically & Militaraly& Respect will come.
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Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:37 am

2 weeks ago I quickturned a T-37 out of Sheppard AFB TX that had a Indian student and a U.S. instructor, first time I saw a Indian officer flying U.S. acft. I am used to seeing other NATO students and instructors fly out out Sheppard. It is about time that the worlds 2 biggest democracies start working together than being on other ends of the politcal spectrum as we were in the cold war.
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Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):
It is about time that the worlds 2 biggest democracies start working together

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Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:53 pm

But I wonder if India would still buy the F16/18s.  Smile
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Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:38 pm

Would there be any Status change following Dr Singh's US Visit.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14):
Would there be any Status change following Dr Singh's US Visit.

De facto nuclear power status with the NPT five. The US finally reconciles itself to India's weapons status instead of burying its head in the sand and wishing it didn't exist. The NPT will probably be replaced with another treaty in future, which underlines our official status as a weapon wielding power. Also, free access to civilian nuclear technology and fuel.
 
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Quoting BarfBag (Reply 15):
De facto nuclear power status with the NPT five.

Will that apply to Israel & Pakistan too.
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:15 am

Thread creep alert!

Hawk21--What do you know about the ADA Light Combat Aircraft? We were in Bangalore a couple of weeks ago and they towed two of them past our aircraft. The Indian Defense Minister was visiting and they had a display set up.

I couldn't figure what type it was. First I thought it was a Rafale (but it's single engine). I knew it wasn't a Mirage 2000. Nice looking machine.TC
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting AA717driver (Reply 17):
Hawk21--What do you know about the ADA Light Combat Aircraft

LCA
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Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:40 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
Will that apply to Israel & Pakistan too.
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Hmm, I doubt anyone will be excited with that. Also, note that the former hasn't actually conducted a test to demonstrate that they are in fact a nuclear power.
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Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 19):
the former hasn't actually conducted a test to demonstrate that they are in fact a nuclear power.

An Undeclared Nuclear state.
Whats the US Views on Both Israel & Pakistan.vis-a-vis Nuclear Power status.
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 20):
Whats the US Views on Both Israel & Pakistan.vis-a-vis Nuclear Power status.
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Well for the former, it is that they have been attack by their neighbors quite a few times, so the undeclared status has acted as a deterrent to further wars. Regarding Pakistan, I would say the feeling is that we would rather that they not have nukes and we hope to God that the government does not lose control of the nukes.
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Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 21):
Regarding Pakistan, I would say the feeling is that we would rather that they not have nukes and we hope to God that the government does not lose control of the nukes.

The US, I heard has a Backup plan to take over Pakistani Nuclear Assets in case of any Terrorist Group Take over or Govt collapse.
Any news on this.
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Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:58 am

I guess the IAF will be more interested in F22, F35 or they´ll continue to get their equipment from the former USSR. Should be good for some interesting future discussions..
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 22):
The US, I heard has a Backup plan to take over Pakistani Nuclear Assets in case of any Terrorist Group Take over or Govt collapse.
Any news on this.

I don't think anyone who knows anything about such plans would ever leak these plans, so, no, there is no news on this.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
I guess the IAF will be more interested in F22

I don't think the F22 is going to anyone elses' Air Force for a very long time. Certainly not until inflation makes the R&D costs look small compared to the unit manufacturing costs so that the plane can actually be sold with a reasonable price tag to non USAF customers. The US DOD maybe able to buy airplanes at manufacturing cost plus, but non-US customers are going to have to pay for R&D costs.

Anyway, I think the USAF wants to maintain air superiority for a little while before allowing F22s go to anyone else.
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
I guess the IAF will be more interested in F22, F35 or they´ll continue to get their equipment from the former USSR. Should be good for some interesting future discussions

IAF would still be interested in Reliability of Spares & no risk of sanctions to procure all US Products.Maybe a few.But Russian/French Equipment will def continue.
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