AirWillie6475
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Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:19 pm

I am 19 and currently going to college and trying to get my PPL. How can I become a military pilot(AF)? How is the demand for Air Force pilots?
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:23 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Thread starter):
How can I become a military pilot(AF)? How is the demand for Air Force pilots?

The best way to become a pilot is to use the search function. Situational awareness is a skill that must be developed if you are to survive
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:11 pm

AirWillie,
Just disregard the previous post. There's certainly nothing wrong with coming to a military aviation forum and asking that question. I don't have time at the moment, but I'm sure there will be a few posters come along shortly who will have the time to not be an ass and actually give you something constructive. And maybe one of those posts will come from an "aviator" who actually flies the plane and not one who spends most of his time in the ass-end of it. (no offense to other boomers who actually post something constructive every now and then)
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:43 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Thread starter):
How can I become a military pilot(AF)? How is the demand for Air Force pilots?

I don't know the details myself, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. Researching on the internet is a good idea, asking here is perfectly fine as well. One of the things I would make sure you know is that becoming a military pilot is not something you casually approach. You have to have VERY good grades in Highschool as well as college, and you are going to want to make sure you can get your 1st class medical w/out ANY concerns. I know for example you can get a 1st class with wearing glasses in a certain range of vision, but the military requires that there be no such 'accepted' conditions as such (IE they want you to be naturally 20/20 or better.) Keep in mind that military, especially AF is NOTHING to do with hot dogging around. It's serious flying for serious professionals.
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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:48 pm

My acquaintance with the process is secondhand (another branch of service) and way out of date. However . . .

The active duty committment following pilot training is such that, for all practical purposes, you should consider yourself a lifer, consider it your career.

Even when demand for new pilots is high, the actual number of seats is pretty small and the competition will be intense. I don't mean to discourage you, after all, it is their job to get you, or someone just like you into their program. It is your job not to get in the way of that selection process.

As has been said above, physical condition is the first make/break point you should consider. No waivers, no able to meet minimum with a good night's sleep and so on. In the initial selection physicals and eyetests, etc. they look deeper than in routine exams later on. They understand that if you spend 20+ years in the USAF, age will deteriorate your eyesight and they want you to still meet their standards on the day you retire.

So the whole selection process probably goes more or less like that. It is more of an elimination process to weed out the applicants down to the number they have seats for. I mention physical standards and eyesight just because those are things you cannot directly control. If they are marginal now you just might not want to bet the farm on being selected.

The rest of it is a lot more in your hands. Your academic history - if you are serious about this you will do what it takes to be up to their standards when the day comes. Just don't ever lose sight of those wings. Your buddies are going to party somewhere and you need to study - stay home and study. Party later.

The Private Pilot license is pretty much irrelevant. I don't think they'll be much impressed. However; it will probably give you a lot more confidence in the earliest phases of pilot training, the first fifty hours or so. Reason being, you will have already done most of these maneuvers, and possibly in similar airplanes. (If they still use the T-41 it is just a C-172) That can take a little of the pressure off you and permit you to focus on the elements of it that do not come so easily to you.

Now, actual, current specifics, you'll have to wait until someone pops up with recent good skinny. I'd google it every few months too, you should find sites and blogs that deal with it close to real time.

Good luck.
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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:51 pm

Folks,

I've got to go with duce on this one. Getting a cockpit seat in the AF nowadays is fairly competitive. A person wishing to become a pilot needs to start distinguishing him/herself in high school -- one of the ways to do that is by doing homework (in this case a search) before asking questions.

A student who asks "I've seen thread "x" and I know "y" but I have a question about "z"" is far more likely to get a favorable response than someone who asks a question cold -- which many have done of late. See this thread for example:
Usaf Qestion (by CX881 May 28 2005 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

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RE: Military Pilot

Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:18 pm

Quoting Hamfist (Reply 2):
I don't have time at the moment, but I'm sure there will be a few posters come along shortly who will have the time to not be an ass and actually give you something constructive. And maybe one of those posts will come from an "aviator" who actually flies the plane and not one who spends most of his time in the ass-end of it. (no offense to other boomers who actually post something constructive every now and then

Quit crying about old arguments hamfist-yourself. Just because your argument didn't hold in that other thread doesn't mean you have to stay bent out of shape over it. As I'm sure you've been told before, it's ok to lose. By the way, other posters asked you some important questions on that other thread; get cracking.

Switching gears, if someone asks a question that's been asked many times before (DC-9 replacement, A330 tanker, WN flashing landing lights), you're an a$$hole by suggesting they use the search button? Especially someone who wants to be an AF pilot, a job that takes much more initiative that being an ATC officer?
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:41 am

AirWillie,
Unless you're deadset on the AirForce, may I suggest looking into the US Army's Warrant Officer Flight Training. Lately there is been a demand for helicopter pilots and prospects for selection are pretty good. To be competitive for this you should probably have at least 60 college credits, be in good physical condition, and have an ASVAB score in the 90's and pass the AFAST. Civilian flight time helps as well. The Army's website will have more info.
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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:45 am

AirWillie,

I'll post the same idea here that I relay to all the aspiring military pilots that have asked similar questions recently.

The question you should be asking is not "How do I become a military pilot?", but "How do I become an officer?"....."In what way can I best serve my country through military service?" would probably be the most appropriate. If the answer to that last question is "in an aircraft," then you probably have the correct mindset.

Getting wings pinned on your chest is only the very last of a large series of more important wickets you've got to get through. I will be brutally honest however, if you're a 19-year-old college student just now asking the question you posted above, you're behind the power curve. That's not a character assessment, just a cold hard fact tempered with years of experience. I don't mean to imply all is lost and that your desire is somehow lacking - but if you're seriously (and I do mean seriously) considering becoming a military aviator, your motivation will speak for itself.

In a nutshell, the current "demand for Air Force pilots" should be irrelevant. If you want to get some wings, your drive towards that goal should be such that you make and exceed the standard to get accepted, regardless of where it may be currently set according to the needs of the service.

That being said - good luck. If you prove me wrong I'll buy you a beer when we run across each other in base ops.
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:21 am

Not sure how I "lost" another thread. As I stated before, I'm not the one loathing the T'birds because they haven't changed their routine to satisfy something that isn't a part of their mission statement.

As for the intitiative, I'll gladly put my Air Force accomplishments (both stateside and in-theatre) against your good-conduct and (probably recent) longevity ribbons anyday.

As for "switching gears", I'm sure all here rest assured that the skies are fueled by a guy who needs to do his best impression of one of the forums 12-year olds by listing "your mom" as one of his hobbies. Maybe if the T'birds added that to their mission statement, they would better represent the rest of the Air Force?
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:41 am

You might also look into the Navy/Marine Corps, there is a higher % of pilots in both branches than compared to the AF.

I'll give you a typical route that I have seen/heard about, and keep in mind that it is just one way to go, but do ROTC in college. In your senior year, at least in NROTC, we submit our selection packages and you can choose from Aviation, Surface, Subs or EOD...if you do well enough, you will get your first choice and will be on your way to becoming an aviator as you want to be.

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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:28 am

My apologies. I guess I'm the only one here who thinks not putting the crowd to sleep should be in the T-chicken's mission statement.

Initiative--Try comparing my accomplishments to yours guy. Where should we start? AF achievement? Air medals and Aerial achievement medals? LOAs from the SECDEF, Dep-SECDEF, NATO air marshalls, AMWC/CC? Should I continue? Some ground rules though: While you probably put yourself in for a bronze star for being the pro rata at a retirement party those of us who don't include kneepads as part of our uniform wouldn't consider the AFCM anything to brag about.

Quoting Hamfist (Reply 9):
As for "switching gears", I'm sure all here rest assured that the skies are fueled by a guy who needs to do his best impression of one of the forums 12-year olds by listing "your mom" as one of his hobbies. Maybe if the T'birds added that to their mission statement, they would better represent the rest of the Air Force?

They can think what they like, but those who don't recognize it as a joke are not my problem. I'm sure many rest easy knowing that a "former USAF ATC" officer is arguing with an enlisted boom operator over who's got the biggest package. I'd follow you anywhere....but at a distance and only out of morbid curiousity
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:56 pm

The average Joe fighter pilots in the Navy that I know have better eyesight then the average 20/20 vision. Usually 20/15 uncorrected nowadays. Keep taking lutein vitamins for your eyes and just pray that your vision doesn't get worse for the future otherwise your second option is to get PRK laser surgery which is authorized now. USNR standards might be different becuase I've seen C-9 and C-40 pilots that do wear glasses but then again, they're the guys who are flying with the major airlines (40+ year old LCDRs). But then again, fighters is way different then flying transport.

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RE: Military Pilot

Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:40 pm

Ah, Duce, you dropped another deuce in the punch bowl and hijacked another thread...you are indeed an a$$.

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 1):
The best way to become a pilot is to use the search function. Situational awareness is a skill that must be developed if you are to survive

Now, if you didn't have issues with intimacy, (admit it, that's why you sit in the back by yourself) you might know how to play better with others and could have phrased it better. Hmm...maybe by instead saying, "there's been quite a bit of discussion on this topic in past threads, you will most likely find the information your looking for if you do a quick search here"

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 11):
those of us who don't include kneepads as part of our uniform wouldn't consider the AFCM anything to brag about.

Yet, you're bragging about an AF achievement medal? WTF? And Air Medals and Aerial Achievement medals, while yes you earn them, last time I checked, the only difference between the two of them for you fat kid riders is you happen to pass gas somewhere over southwest/central Asia instead of Nebraska. As far as I'm concerned they're recognition for doing something wild and crazy called...your job.
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:05 am

This punch bowl was already littered with feces, one more drop won't make a difference.

I could care less about being called an ass, but for this? Hamfist is the one who hijacked the thread by bringing up a bunch of crap from the BA/TC thread from last week. Sure I was curt telling the kid to just use the search function, so sue me for not holding his hand through the process. Airwillie6475 is 19 years old. He's in training to be a private pilot. He's old enough to buy smokes, join the military, drive, etc. He's got 718 posts and he didn't see that button an inch away from the start new topic one that simply says "SEARCH". Please, I threw in the same subject as this topic, "Military pilot," and got info on the pilot training process. Not to mention the gems from typing "Flight training", "UPT" and more terms that he would be very familiar with if he were in any way serious about becoming an AF pilot. If he was a 13-14 year old or he just joined a.net then of course I would've cut him slack. But this kid's got damn near twice as many posts as I do and he can't figure out how to search? You can lead a horse to water......

About the decs. First off he implied that the only achievements in my 6 years of AF service are the "thanks for showing up, here's a medal" GCM and longevity ribbon, I was merely saying that I've done alot more than that. Second, 90% of AF ribbons and medals are for simply doing your job. But there's a big difference between the "thanks for being cool, good luck on your next assignment" AFCM-type awards, and AFAMs, AMs, and AAMs for actually doing your job in a combat environment/AOR.
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:24 am

Yeah, Duece, that's what I meant...in the combat environment. I guarantee the sand I've put my puts in is just as close to threats as your airliner has ever been.
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:42 pm

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 7):
Unless you're deadset on the AirForce, may I suggest looking into the US Army's Warrant Officer Flight Training. Lately there is been a demand for helicopter pilots and prospects for selection are pretty good. To be competitive for this you should probably have at least 60 college credits, be in good physical condition, and have an ASVAB score in the 90's and pass the AFAST. Civilian flight time helps as well. The Army's website will have more info.

I am thinking about joining army, but my recruiter says there are no more fixed wings in army. He said helicopter school is the only option. What are the requirements? Do you have to be a citizen at sign up? HOw about eye sight?
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:09 pm

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 14):
But this kid's got damn near twice as many posts as I do and he can't figure out how to search?

That's why I have twice as many posts as you do dude. Instead of trying to type your arguments about why responded that way, you could have just given me advice like others have done.
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:11 pm

And by the way what do you mean by

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Thread starter):
Situational awareness is a skill that must be developed if you are to survive

WTF?
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:14 am

Quoting Hamfist (Reply 15):
I guarantee the sand I've put my puts in is just as close to threats as your airliner has ever been.

I see your schwartz is as big as mine! Two things: First off, what are your puts? Second, Are you implying you've had alot of threats near to your location? Or are you saying that you were billeted at the Holiday inn, Riyadh, and that the 10 only flies where there are no bad guys? You're right, the KC-10 is 87% airliner. The prob comes in the detail that the AF has this silly notion that we should be reasonably close to the fighters we refuel. And fighters have this even sillier philosophy that they should be close to the guys on the ground, good and bad.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 17):
That's why I have twice as many posts as you do dude. Instead of trying to type your arguments about why responded that way, you could have just given me advice like others have done.

So, you have twice as many posts as I do because you don't try to find what you're looking for in past threads. May I be so kind as to ask why you don't? If number of posts meant something, like you get a prize, I could see why. I'd rather defend myself to the likes of Hamfist than hold someone's hand through an incredibly easy process. You're going to have a rude awakening if you make it to UPT with that kind of attitude

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 18):
And by the way what do you mean by

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Thread starter):
Situational awareness is a skill that must be developed if you are to survive

WTF?

Whoops. Sorry about that one. I meant to write "in the air" after survive, but forgot. Although how are you quoting yourself?

Ham,

If you're calling me an a$$ for the last sentence I deserved that. Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. But if you're saying I'm an a$$ for daring to suggest that this kid take 10 seconds out of his busy schedule (and save others the time to write their posts) to use the search button than you need to invest in some extra strength midol

[Edited 2005-07-17 18:17:06]
 
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RE: Military Pilot

Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting PolAir (Reply 16):
I am thinking about joining army, but my recruiter says there are no more fixed wings in army. He said helicopter school is the only option. What are the requirements? Do you have to be a citizen at sign up? HOw about eye sight?

To get into flight training you must be a citizen, 18-29 years of age, pass a flight physical, and score a GT score of 110 or higher on the ASVAB, in addition you must pass the AFAST, the aviation aptitude test. As far as the vision goes I believe the standards have been laxed, I see a lot of new pilots with glasses, also lasik surgery is allowed. Most candidates going into this are prior enlisted. There are some limited fixed-wing slots flying C-12s and the Army is planning to buy a fleet of sensor aircraft, but these pilots are selected from the existing pool of aviators.
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RE: Military Pilot

Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 20):
To get into flight training you must be a citizen, 18-29 years of age, pass a flight physical, and score a GT score of 110 or higher on the ASVAB, in addition you must pass the AFAST, the aviation aptitude test. As far as the vision goes I believe the standards have been laxed, I see a lot of new pilots with glasses, also lasik surgery is allowed. Most candidates going into this are prior enlisted. There are some limited fixed-wing slots flying C-12s and the Army is planning to buy a fleet of sensor aircraft, but these pilots are selected from the existing pool of aviators.

Thanks. I am not a citizen yet, but after couple of years military I should be there. Untill then i am trying to figure out something interesting/useful. I was thinking aviation operation specialist.

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