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Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:46 pm

What does the number on the rwy mean?
In regular rwys, is the orientation number, but an ac carrier moves, so there is no function to a number, as it always changes, to get the deck against the wind.
So what does it mean??


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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:51 pm

It's the hull number. Same as the number on the island. Same as the number on the bow of a frigate or cruiser.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:56 pm

That's the carrier's hull number - not the runway number  

Then you can figure out which aircraft carrier it is. The one in the picture is the Eisenhower. It's an awfully old picture as well. haven't seen A-5s and F-4's on Eisenhower in a long time.

Sometimes we can get sneaky, last year the Belleau Wood (number 3) entered the Arabian Gulf, the next day, Kearsarge (also number 3) entered the Arabian Gulf. That confused the Iranians to no end who wondered how Belleau Wood got out of the gulf without notice of the picket sitting in the Strait of Hormuz to get back in the next day... until the Iranians realized there were two number 3's running rampage in the Northern Arabian Gulf...

[Edited 2005-07-25 06:00:13]
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:42 pm

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 2):
Then you can figure out which aircraft carrier it is. The one in the picture is the Eisenhower. It's an awfully old picture as well. haven't seen A-5s and F-4's on Eisenhower in a long time.

you are right about the photo being vintage...circa 1978...but those are not A-5s, they are A-7s
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:51 pm

A brief rundown on USN carriers hull numbers. In active service are...
CV-63 Kitty Hawk
CVN-65 Enterprise
CV-67 JFK
CVN-68 Nimitz
CVN-69 Eisenhower
CVN-70 Vinson
CVN-71 Roosevelt
CVN-72 Lincoln
CVN-73 Washington
CVN-74 Stennis
CVN-75 Truman
CVN-76 Reagan
CVN-77 Bush (under construction)
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:38 pm

Thx a lot for the answers guys!!

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
CVN-77 Bush

WTF???After Jr or Sr??  Wink

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 3:18 pm

Bush Senior. CVN-77 is named the USS George Herbert Walker Bush. He was a USN Avenger pilot in WWII, shot down and picked up by the USS Finback. Bush Junior was an ANG reservist F-102 pilot who never saw combat during his flying days in the late 1960s. Regards.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:46 pm

Which begs a question - are there any carriers in reserve? AFAIK there are three at Bremerton WA but they are all due for disposal:

CV-59 Ranger
CV-62 Independence
CV-64 Constellation

also

CV-60 Saratoga (at Newport RI)

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:36 pm

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 7):
Which begs a question - are there any carriers in reserve? AFAIK there are three at Bremerton WA but they are all due for disposal:

I have overflown a mothballed carrier out by Benicia (SF Bay area). It looks pretty small, so probably one of those Marine carriers or an old WWII one. Have no idea why they still keep all those boats out there, they are in miserable condition.
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:16 am

Ghostbase...Not to nit-pick, but Ranger is CV-61. Forrestal is CV-59. I don't think any carriers are held in reserve anymore.
NorCal...the only WWII carrier on the west coast is the Hornet CV-12, in Alameda. Could you have overflown this ship? Otherwise it had to be an assault vessel, perhaps an old Iwo Jima class ship.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:16 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9):
I don't think any carriers are held in reserve anymore.

You'd be correct, Flagship. The Ranger and Independence were held in reserve, but they're currently only being held for disposal, Ranger as a possible museum ship, and Independence in an unknown capacity. Also, Ranger was downgraded to Maintenance Catgory X which, means that she will be "retained and receive no maintenance or preservation. Only security against fire, flooding, and pilferage will be provided."
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:54 am

Flagship, I've seen the same ship Norcal was referring to. I've got no firm idea on what it was (ww2 pocket carrier, amphib assault ship, etc) but it's definitely not the USS Hornet. This one is moored at the old Mare island shipyard, north San Francisco Bay. If you look on google maps, satellite view, she's on the east side of mare island about 3 miles northwest of the Carquinez bridge or about 20-25 miles north/northeast of the SF-Oakland Bay Bridge for those who don't know the SF bay very well

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:13 am

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 11):
Flagship, I've seen the same ship Norcal was referring to. I've got no firm idea on what it was (ww2 pocket carrier, amphib assault ship, etc) but it's definitely not the USS Hornet. This one is moored at the old Mare island shipyard, north San Francisco Bay

I think y'alls "ghost ship" is the former USS New Orleans (LPH-11), an Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ship. She's moored at Suisun Bay and is tagged to be donated as a museum or a memorial.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:09 am

That sounds about right. I just realized Norcal and I were talking about different ships. He's talking Benicia (probably the New Orleans, you can see her on that google maps sat view), and I'm talking about the one next to Vallejo (represent!) at the former Mare Island shipyard. My apologies for the mix-up, but we're talking about two different ships

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:49 am

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 13):
and I'm talking about the one next to Vallejo (represent!) at the former Mare Island shipyard.

In that case, Duce, your mystery ship is ex-New Orleans's sister, the former USS Tripoli (LPH-10), which was leased over to the Army in '97 for use as a missile trials platform.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:53 am

That photo actually depicts an E-2, F-4, and an A-7 AND an F-8....pretty cool photo, you didn't see the Saders with the SLUFs quite often.

Not sure what the Navy is thinking nowadays, apparently they're not keeping any carriers in reserve, and are in fact trying to get rid of any they have. USS America (CV-66) is headed out to be sunk in the near future, apparently. Sad to see.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:05 am

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 15):
USS America (CV-66) is headed out to be sunk in the near future, apparently. Sad to see.

That actually happened a little over 3 months ago.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:09 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9):
Ghostbase...Not to nit-pick, but Ranger is CV-61. Forrestal is CV-59.

Oops - my mistake. Must pop over the pond again to Bremerton and take a look...just to be sure  Wink

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:43 am

Apparently so  Sad


The USS America Association website has several photos of her before her final voyage...still looks high and mighty even today.

http://www.ussamerica.org/Scrapbook/april_19_2005/final_voyage.htm

Apparently there's a push to name CVN-78 the USS America...I say go for it.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:32 am

Wow -- I was under the impression that there would be no photos of her sinking.....
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:11 am

Thanks Garnet! I've been wondering about her for a couple months now (last time I went to Mare island). Thanks for the info!

Definitely rename her USS America, Ships shouldn't be named after people still alive. It seems like it would delute the honor/significance. Like how it seems every AF general is now awarded the AF order of the sword as part of their outprocessing checklist or something
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:11 am

That's the only one the Navy provided...no shots of the actual hull slipping beneath the waves, or of the battle damage she sustained. I wonder which flattop they're going to try to do this to next? Apparently she would have never become a museum, as the steel in her hull was deteriorated and beyond donation.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:18 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 18):
The USS America Association website has several photos of her before her final voyage...still looks high and mighty even today

She was a beauty. I saw her when she pulled into Naval Station Norfolk pier like in April. Apparently, it is now an artificial reef some miles off the coast of Virginia.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:46 pm

I thought the America was really deep-sixed, too deep for divers to mess with her. So she's reachable for sport divers then? I wonder if she landed right side up, much like the original Saratoga did in the Bikini Atolls in the late 1940s. Regards.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:43 pm

I understand they sunk her in 6,000 feet of water....a little too deep for my diving taste!

I think the photos of the actual destruction will be kept under wraps for a long time, as to not reveal any weaknesses of these carriers. Would be interesting to see what did her in, whether it be a warhead from a subsurface, surface, or air combatant. The HUD tapes would be interesting to see.

Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 22):
I saw her when she pulled into Naval Station Norfolk pier like in April

So what were they doing with her in Norfolk, Kevin? Loading explosives aboard? The photos of her sailing under the bridges looked almost surreal...almost as if she was returning from a cruise and had her crew manning the rails.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:56 am

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 20):

Definitely rename her USS America, Ships shouldn't be named after people still alive. It seems like it would delute the honor/significance. Like how it seems every AF general is now awarded the AF order of the sword as part of their outprocessing checklist or something

There is also the sub USS James E. Carter.

Both Bush Sr. and Carter are suitable names for Navy warships, IMO. Better than naming a top of the line carrier for Carl Vinson (who?)
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting Thorny (Reply 25):
Better than naming a top of the line carrier for Carl Vinson (who?)

Democratic Congressman from Georgia who served over 50 years in Congress, first chair of the House Armed Services Committee and served in that capacity for nearly 30 years. He often went up to bat for the USN on Capitol Hill, including helping to shepherd the procurement of USS Enterprise (CVN-65).
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:29 am

Which aircraft carrier was in storage in Philly recently? I flew into PHL maybe 2 years ago and on approach we crossed over a pretty large aircraft carrier that looked decomissioned, was that the america?
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 27):
Which aircraft carrier was in storage in Philly recently? I flew into PHL maybe 2 years ago and on approach we crossed over a pretty large aircraft carrier that looked decomissioned, was that the america?

It was probably America. However, you could have also confused ex-Guadalcanal (LPH-7) for a CV, depending on the date, as she was stored in Philly for awhile also.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Thorny (Reply 25):
Better than naming a top of the line carrier for Carl Vinson (who?)

The Honorable Mr. Vinson was also the first man in American history to be alive to see a warship christened bearing his name. Right as soon as you get past the quarterdeck on the "Chuckie V", they have a nice little museum speaking of all the things Mr. Vinson did for our military...the ship is aptly named IMHO.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 4):
A brief rundown on USN carriers hull numbers. In active service are...
CV-63 Kitty Hawk
CVN-65 Enterprise
CV-67 JFK
CVN-68 Nimitz
CVN-69 Eisenhower
CVN-70 Vinson
CVN-71 Roosevelt
CVN-72 Lincoln
CVN-73 Washington
CVN-74 Stennis
CVN-75 Truman
CVN-76 Reagan
CVN-77 Bush (under construction)

How long till the Kittyhawk is retired? It was in SYD the other week and was looking rather worn. Will CVN-77 just replace it. I had heard a rumor that there would be a downscale to a ten-carrier fleet? Anyone else hear this.

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:18 am

I've always heard that the Navy wants 12 carriers in commission, no less. Granted, there will be a few in homeports & drydocks at any given time. The USN wants enough carrier battle forces on hands to fight a 2-ocean war. So more than likely the Bush will replace the Hawk. The Hawk, BTW, is wearing the "Don't Thread on Me" flag, but not 100% certain of this. Regards.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 9:45 am

Why did they sink the America?
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 31):
The Hawk, BTW, is wearing the "Don't Thread on Me" flag

Yes it is, as it is the oldest Naval Ship in Commission. Rather, I believe that's the Union Jack...been awhile since I brushed up on my Naval Regs...it was handed down from the USS Independence, which was the previous forward deployed carrier in that region, and also the oldest ship at the time, till her decom in 2000-ish.

Quoting Ozair (Reply 30):
I had heard a rumor that there would be a downscale to a ten-carrier fleet?

The DOD wanted some quick and easy money recently, so they put together a quick proposal to decomm the USS John F Kennedy, stationed here in Jacksonville. It apparently didn't fly too long, as it looks like the Kennedy will be here for awhile yet. Clinton already slashed our carrier force greatly, and yet another reduction would be crippling for our projection of seapower.

Quoting NorCal (Reply 32):
Why did they sink the America?

From what I understand, it was for a few reasons. 1) The Navy has alot of decomm'd carriers on it's hands (Forrestal, Saratoga, Ranger, Independence, Connestellation, America), and most/all were already stricken from the Naval Register of Vessels. There's a new program out to sink naval ships, as opposed to scrapping them...cheaper, and benefits marine life. 2) The America had deterriorated in it's 9 years in mothballs, her hull was made of cheaper steel, so it wore out much quicker. Also, unlike her fleetmates Kitty Hawk and Indy, she didn't recieve the SLEP (Service Life Extension Program) overhaul, so she was I guess 'obselete'. Because her hull was in such bad shape, the Navy didn't want to donate her for liability reasons- trust me, the Association tried their hardest. I guess sinking was the next most honorable fate.

I guess after the mess of scrapping the USS Coral Sea (a Midway Class Carrier, not even near the size of a Super Carrier), the Navy is probably examining "better" ways of disposing of their beautiful flattops. I say museums! Big grin

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:19 am

Since someone asked about Carl Vinson (Thank you) Who the hell is/was John C. Stennis?
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Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:20 pm

Mr Stennis was the 2nd longest serving member of the Senate to date...was sometimes called the "father of the modern navy", at least as much as a politician can be. You can get some more gouge on him from the boat's website, http://www.cvn74.navy.mil/pages/facts/senator.htm

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:45 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 31):
The Hawk, BTW, is wearing the "Don't Thread on Me" flag, but not 100% certain of this. Regards.

The Don't Tread on Me flag indicates the oldest commissioned ship in the Navy, but after 9/11, all ships were directed to fly the "Don't Tread on Me" flag on the forward jack until further notice. So every Navy ship will have it flying.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:08 pm

Then it must be the Union Jack? Been awhile since I was around any Navy ship I'm afraid  Sad

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:37 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 37):
Then it must be the Union Jack?

As Woodreau pointed out, from 1977 up until 5/22/02, the First Navy Jack (the so-called "Don't Tread On Me" flag) was the sole province of the oldest active commissioned vessel in the USN (lest we forget that technically the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned vessel in the USN inventory). On 5/22/02, SECNAV ordered all USN ships to fly the First Navy Jack as a replacement for the traditional Naval Jack (which is the canton of the national flag) for the duration of the War on Terrorism.
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:18 pm

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 33):
and benefits marine life

isn't all that paint and chemical stuff usually bad for the marine life???
They could've made beer cans with it, like with the swedish Viggens  Wink Big grin

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:01 am

Slightly off topic here, but after the Kitty Hawk eventually retires, which USN ship would then be the oldest in commission? Besides Old Ironsides of course.  Wink Thanks, and regards.
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Thu Jul 28, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 40):
which USN ship would then be the oldest in commission?

I believe it would go to Enterprise, as both she and Kitty Hawk were commissioned just months apart
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:48 am

Looking at the view of Newport RI on google there are two carriers. One is the Saratoga which is going to be a museum at the old Quanset Point NAS. Any idea what the other one is?
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:53 am

Quoting Dc8jet (Reply 42):
Any idea what the other one is?

That would be the former USS Forrestal (CV-59)
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 27):
Which aircraft carrier was in storage in Philly recently? I flew into PHL maybe 2 years ago and on approach we crossed over a pretty large aircraft carrier that looked decomissioned, was that the america?

Here's an image from Google Maps...PHL Runway 27R is the one whose threshold is just sticking out on the lower left (not the runway above it where you can see a lot of it, that's 8/26)...and as you can see America used to sit pretty much right along the final approach path to 27R...

http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=39.88...50&spn=0.039044,0.078278&t=k&hl=en

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:20 am

Not to change the subject, but I wanted to know what level was a Iwo Jima class LPH flight deck located. I know a LHA/LHDs are located on the 03 level and a aircraft carrier (CV/CVNs) is located on the 04 level. I saw some replies talking about LPHs and I thought somebody may know thank you.


PS: The USS America CV-66 look like it was a very beautiful when it was in commission.
 
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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 39):
isn't all that paint and chemical stuff usually bad for the marine life???
They could've made beer cans with it, like with the swedish Viggens

It's not as simple as that. Harmful chemicals and other substances are removed during decommissioning...well they are removed before the sinking commences. In the case of USS America, gathered from an MSNBC article, the Navy used her for target practice as well, researching how a Super Carrier would be properly attacked and sunk and thus developing proper damage control techniques, etc.

This thread has a bit of info...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/military/read.main/28554/

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 45):
Not to change the subject, but I wanted to know what level was a Iwo Jima class LPH flight deck located. I know a LHA/LHDs are located on the 03 level and a aircraft carrier (CV/CVNs) is located on the 04 level. I saw some replies talking about LPHs and I thought somebody may know thank you.

The flight deck on the LPHs was the 03 deck. Just checked with my dad who was on New Orleans (LPH-11).
 
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Sun Aug 07, 2005 2:25 pm

Thank You

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RE: Number On Aircraft Carriers

Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:34 am

To all:

I guess I have an issue with the manner in which the USN names carriers now. With all due respect to Mssers Vinson & Stennis, do they really deserve carriers to be named for them? Did they accomplish more or is their legacy greater than FD Roosevelt for example, for whom I believe a destroyer was recently named.

Should a capital ship be named for someone because he was popular? Like Ronald Reagan? His presidency was less than stellar. Does Bob Hope deserve a carrier? He was popular and certainly an admirable human being.

Would a carrier be named for GW Bush Sr. if Jr wasn't president?

I think that naval policy should perpetuate historical names. Whatever happened to Lexington, Hornet, Intrepid or United States for capital ships?

Bah!

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