TIMC
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Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:28 am

When the shuttle lands on Monday, what happens next?

I mean, how does it get back to its base, can it fly like any other normal aircraft, eg, take-off and go to another airport? Or will it have to be towed somehow back to the start.

Also, where are all the other shuttles stored, and how do they get them to be upright to attach to the rocket boosters?
 
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 4:29 am

Quoting TIMC (Thread starter):
I mean, how does it get back to its base, can it fly like any other normal aircraft, eg, take-off and go to another airport? Or will it have to be towed somehow back to the start.

TIMC, I HIGHLY suggest you go through the NASA sites and read up. This question SEEMS to indicate you have done no research whatsoever, and really don't care about the topic..

Try:
(Best link) http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/system/index.html

and
http://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/la...s/launchDetails.asp?calendarId=106
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/home/index.html
http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/main/index.html

If after reading these you have more questions SATL and I will be more then happy to oblige.
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:33 am

It gets towed a few hundred feet from the runway to the vehicle assembly building. There, it's prepared for the next mission and mounted on the SRB's and ET.
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TIMC
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
TIMC, I HIGHLY suggest you go through the NASA sites and read up. This question SEEMS to indicate you have done no research whatsoever, and really don't care about the topic..

Forgive me, but I've read most of the NASA page... what I'm asking is, once the shuttle touches down and stops on the runway, what happens from there?

I can't find anything about that on the page, if there is something and I've missed it then accept my apologies, but I can't really seem to find anything :S
 
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:24 am

aha...

apparently, there is a shuttle mating/demating device:


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so I'm guessing the shuttle lands, is put into this, put onto the back of a shuttle carrier and flown back to Kennedy?
 
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting TIMC (Reply 4):
so I'm guessing the shuttle lands, is put into this, put onto the back of a shuttle carrier and flown back to Kennedy?

Tim,

If every thing goes according to plan it lands AT Kennedy Space Center. The 747 would only be used if it were to land at Edwards AFB, White Sands, or one of the transatlantic abort sites (Moron, Istres, etc).

Once it lands at the Shuttle Landing Facility (SLF) at Kennedy it is towed to the Orbiter Processing Facility (OPF) where it is prepared for the next flight. When it is ready to be "stacked" (placed on it's boosters) the orbiter is towed from the OPF to the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB).

Once in the VAB it is fitted with a lift rig. Two traveling cranes are attached to the lift rig, one towards the nose of the orbiter and one towards the tail. Initially both cranes lift together, but once sufficient height is gained the rear crane stops lifting and the cranes move towards each other. Thus the orbiter is moved to a vertical position.



If you'd like a birds eye view of the site go to google maps and search on "x68". X68 is the 3letter code for the SLF, just like JFK is the 3letter code for Kennedy airport.

edit: Tim -- I should have made you find this yourself but.... here is the google satellite view of Launch Complex 39 at KSC. SLF on the left, OPF & VAB in the middle, and launch pads A & B on the right.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=x68&ll...20&spn=0.172936,0.169928&t=k&hl=en

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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting TIMC (Thread starter):
can it fly like any other normal aircraft, eg, take-off and go to another airport?

To answer this part of your question, no. Once the external fuel tank is jettisoned, the orbiter lacks additional fuel for the Space Shuttle Main Engines (the three engines at the tail of the orbiter) and upon reentry the orbiter is basically the world's most expensive glider.
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
the world's most expensive glider.

Don't forget the fastest too Big grin
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Don't forget the fastest too

... and highest  Smile
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:03 pm

And heaviest...

It's in the Guiness Book of World Records for heaviest glider, though the other descriptions above apply as well.
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:43 pm

Ide hardly call it even a glider. I dont think the thing is capable of even being towed in the air, part of the reason why its piggy backed when it needs transported. Its more commonly called a controllable falling brick.. Its amazing what they can do with fly-by-wire avionics.
 
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:52 pm

Quoting Jrw261 (Reply 10):
Ide hardly call it even a glider.

From: http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dicti...?book=Dictionary&va=glider&x=0&y=0

Quoting webster (Reply 11):
Main Entry: glid·er
Pronunciation: 'glI-d&r
Function: noun
1 : one that glides : as a : an aircraft similar to an airplane but without an engine

Being able to be "towed in the air" is irrelevant..
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 9):
And heaviest...

It's in the Guiness Book of World Records for heaviest glider, though the other descriptions above apply as well.

Shouldn't that record go to the A330 or does it have to be intentional?
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:25 pm

FYI: I just heard that NASA has advised the ISS crew that the shuttle reentry may be visible from ISS.

Another unique for photo op for this mission...

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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:46 pm

>> Shouldn't that record go to the A330 or does it have to be intentional?

Hmm... good point, I will definitly have to take that into consideration  Wink

>> FYI: I just heard that NASA has advised the ISS crew that the shuttle reentry may be visible from ISS.

Another unique for photo op for this mission...


That would be really cool !

Speaking of unique photo views, I must recommend the following link. In addition to the camera along the External Tank, each SRB was fitted with a camera that shows the SRB-seperation sequence and subsequent recovery in the Atlantic Ocean.

It's amazing how smooth the SRB seperation is, it didn't occur to me that aerodynamic loads would be so low at that point in flight:

http://www.nasa.gov/returntoflight/m...videos_search_agent_archive_1.html

I also heard the re-entry will not be visible from Texas due to the inclination of the orbital plane as it descends through the atmosphere. Cuba and Centeral America should have a spectacular view, but those of us in El Norte are left out to dry  Wink
 
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:25 pm

Nice link DfwRevolution. The SRB seperation is amazing, and its cool the video continues on from then at the 2 minute mark til splashdown 4 1/2 minutes later. On the Left SRB the chutes are clearly visible and the splashdown is better, whereas on the Right SRB it seems it was upright? in the water.

The ET seperation was nice as well, and the Pitch Manuever by the Shuttle from the ISS is sweet.

Too bad they don't let you save the videos to your computer... any ideas why they have it so guarded?
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RE: Shuttle Recovery

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting Jrw261 (Reply 10):
Ide hardly call it even a glider. I dont think the thing is capable of even being towed in the air, part of the reason why its piggy backed when it needs transported.

It's a delta wing, so it's low speed handling is going to suck. But if you could get it going fast enough, it's wings would certainly generate lift, and it could fly like any other plane. In theory, it could be towed as well, but since there's no plane out there that could pull that much at the necessary speeds, it gets piggybacked.

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