Cheshire
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B-52 Low Level Training

Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:41 am

Just wondering if anyone knows the answer to this one:

Do B-52s and B-1Bs still train for low level penetration missions?

Are low level profiles flown in training at all? Is it part of ACC's heavy bomber training syllabus any more?

thanks in advance.
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Wed Aug 10, 2005 12:26 pm

I don't know about current, but I do know a story of a B-52 crew that was low level training and lost the rudder. Believe it or not that stubborn bird brought the crew home without it!! I Hope someone backs this story up with links for me because I have only 'heard it around' and from a C-130 FE.
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:29 pm

I have seen a picture of the plane sans fin and rudder. It was long before the days of Adobe Photoshop.
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:04 pm

"That's so stupid! If they're so secret, why are they out where everyone can see them?" - my kid
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:44 pm

A good friend of mine is a B-1B WSO and I know that they stay current on low level flight. Gotta love 500ft of the deck. As a matter of fact when I was down there I got to fly low level in the B-1B sim and then got showed how to perform the pop up they do for weapons delivery. Pretty darn fun.
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Vzlet (Reply 3):

Don't ya just love Boeing? This is reminiscent of the pictures of B-17s coming home with massive damage and acres of sheet metal missing.

"Fly the biggest piece home."
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:49 am

that's why they say "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going......."
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:21 am

Quoting Cheshire (Reply 6):
that's why they say "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going......."

I'd love to see the reaction to THIS in "Civil" Aviation.
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:37 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
Don't ya just love Boeing? This is reminiscent of the pictures of B-17s coming home with massive damage and acres of sheet metal missing.

"Fly the biggest piece home."

Newer Boeings have not fared as well with rudder issues.

the truth: first it is ridiculed second it is violently opposed finally it is accepted as self-evident
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting Sidishus (Reply 8):
Newer Boeings have not fared as well with rudder issues.

But you would stand an even lesser chance of continuing on to live a long and healthy life in a modern Airbus...




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the truth: first it is ridiculed second it is violently opposed finally it is accepted as self-evident
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:25 am

I would assume that low-level training is still done as the B-52 is still a mainstay of the Air Force today and for the forseeable future. Not every bombing mission requires - nor should it for accuracy - high altitude Stealth bombers. I recall back in July 1982, crossing the State of Wyoming, of hearing a huge roar above me as I drove along a road - turned out to be a B-52, on a low level (>1000 from the 'deck') run. That roaring bird got my attention!
 
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:47 am

Before reading this post, please note that I am not involved in B1 or B52 operations. The opinions expressed are based entirely on knowledge of military aircraft operations in general. Thank you for listening.

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Low level... Hmm...

The definition of low level is, "You and you aircraft are airborne and not touching the ground." 1000 feet is not low level. 500 feet is kind of low level. 50 feet AGL and below IS low level. An aircraft can fly anywhere between the ground and its operational ceiling. Therefore, the airforce does and has to practice operations in all permutations of the flight envelope. If it doesn't then it is not maximising the potential of the fleet. More to the point, if it doesn't and the threat changes, then it will be unpreparared to meet the new challenge. And that is the purpose of an airforce (and any other force) that may have to go to war: to be prepared for it if and when it happens.
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RE: B-52 Low Level Training

Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:45 pm

I would say, yes....
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