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U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Mon Aug 29, 2005 11:42 pm

Reuters article (29 AUG 05):

U.S. exempts India jet order from no-fly policy -paper

MUMBAI, Aug 29 (Reuters) - The United States has agreed to let India purchase jets from a Brazilian maker, which had held up the sale until New Delhi agreed to abide by a U.S. "no-fly" list for jets equipped with special electronic instruments, a newspaper reported.

India had signed a 7-billion-rupee ($160-million) contract in 2003 for five jets from Brazil's Embraer, the world's fourth-largest commercial airplane maker, the Times of India reported on Monday.

In June, Embraer added a condition to the sale in line with new U.S. guidelines, requiring countries purchasing aircraft fitted with certain integrated electronic instruments to agree not to fly to designated countries, including China, North Korea, Iran, Libya, Syria, Cuba and Haiti.

The report did not indicate the specific nature of the instruments but said the jets would be used by senior government officials.

Brazil's Embraer had refused delivery of the jets after Indian defence and air force officials, who will use the planes, refused to abide by the restriction. They told Embraer the order would be cancelled.

Indian defence officials then asked the U.S State Department for a waiver, according to the report.

"The ministries of defence and external affairs are said to have worked overtime to avert a possible diplomatic embarrassment on the eve of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's U.S. visit," the paper said, referring to Singh's visit last month.

Indian defence and air force officials could not be reached, but an industry expert said two countries doing business with each other should not have to follow U.S. policy.

"You can't tell a sovereign government where to fly, where not to fly. And you can't tell a sovereign government it can sell its aircraft to a country only if it agrees to certain conditions," said Kapil Kaul, head of the Centre for Asia-Pacific Aviation in India.

"There is a compelling economic need to do business with India today, and therefore India has the ability to lobby more effectively," he said. ($1=43.8 rupees)







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I agree with the industry expert here, why does the U.S. have a say on what goes on between two other independent and soverign nations?

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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:06 am

Read about it in the Papers.
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting PPVRA (Thread starter):
I agree with the industry expert here, why does the U.S. have a say on what goes on between two other independent and soverign nations?

Probably a techology transfer issue. Basically if Embraer wants to include sensitive US technology in its aircraft it has to play by US rules.

I'm curious what US technology is on Embraer aircraft such that the buyer can't even fly the aircraft to certain countries..... ??
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:20 am

Probably something like the engines on the airplane. Avionics as well.

All relates back to earlier seemingly innocuous purchases which included sensitive dual use tech.

This merited a waiver.
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:50 am

i think the technology in question maybe some sort of jammers to protect the aircraft. Interestingly none of the countries besides China have the technical expertise to copy the system. On the flip side it is flying to these countries that you need that kind of technology the most.
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:20 am

These are VIP aircraft for the president and prime minister, right? I would imagine that the Indian government would be able to guarantee that they would be guarded at all times.
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:36 am

According to an The Times of India article, the electronic equipment is a "integrated electronic standby instrument", no idea what it is though...??
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RE: U.S. Exempts India Jet Order From No-fly Policy

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:44 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 3):
Probably something like the engines on the airplane. Avionics as well.

I should think if it were normal engines and routine avionics Boeing would have more trouble than it does selling jets in China. Hmmm. I bet it's some kind of defensive system.
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