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Do Navigators Still Fly On VC-25As?

Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:54 pm

The two Presidential USAF VC-25As have some of the latest navigation equipment available, triple INS, DNS, GPS, etc. But, the airplanes were originally built with advanced navigation equipment and a Navigator position, sitting sideways, across from the Flight Engineer, and behind the two Pilot positions.

Do the VC-25s still fly with a Nav?

The now retired VC-137B/Cs did have advanced navigation equipment and carried a Navigator, too. IIRC, they carried two Navagators on over water missions and also carried sextants.

The other aircraft, in the presidential fleet, VC-32A/Bs, VC-40Bs, VC-20C/Hs do not have a Navigator position. The only other USAF VIP aircraft that still flys with a Navigator are the VC-135Cs.
 
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RE: Do Navigators Still Fly On VC-25As?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:28 am

I wouldn't surprised if the SS wants that to remain classified! I've never seen anything very significant about the VC-25's flightdecks.
 
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RE: Do Navigators Still Fly On VC-25As?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:47 am

Somebody has to get the pilots coffee and to call ahead to make sure their hotel and rental cars are ready. During my day we had nav's on board on VIP missions on the C-137's, any other time we flew the acft for training, ferrying or maintenance there wasn't a nav onboard.
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RE: Do Navigators Still Fly On VC-25As?

Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:16 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 1):
I wouldn't surprised if the SS wants that to remain classified! I've never seen anything very significant about the VC-25's flightdecks.

The flightdeck of the VC-25s is pretty much a combination between the B-747-200 commerical airliner, with the military avionics from the E-4B. But, there is the additional crew position.

BTW, the initial crew training for the VC-25s, after the airplanes were ordered, but yet to be delievered was from UA using their B-747-200s. They would fly to MER (then Castle AFB, CA) from LAX for their traffic pattern work. The air refueling training was flown in WC-135Bs, refueling with both the KC-135 and the KC-10. Then there were check rides given in the E-4A/Bs. The crews maintaned their currency in the E-4s until the VC-25s were delivered.

All the while, the crews continued to fly the POTUS around in the VC-137Cs.

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