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Singapore Chooses F-15

Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:43 pm

Dassault have issued a press release stating that Singapore has chosen the F-15 over the Rafale. Singapore refused to respond but have just announced that they have entered final negotiations with Boeing.

How many airplanes were Singapore looking to procure?

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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:31 am

Reuters reports "about 20".
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:09 am

Yet another impressive win by the F-15! Is this the same version that was sold to South Korea ala F-15K?
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:26 am

Where will the South Korea's and Singapore's F-15 pilots be trained? Will an oepration like Luke AFB has be set up at Seymour Johnson with the USAF's F-15E training wing?
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:24 am

Have there been any "finalized" export orders for the Rafale? I know there was a thread here way back when discussing a possible sale of 96 (?) to Saudi Arabia. Has this sale been confirmed?

Reason I ask is the language in this Reuters article: "dashing hopes for the first export order for the Rafale"

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...005-09-06_14-16-24_l0673948_newsml

[Edited 2005-09-07 00:40:27]
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:54 am

I'd like to see the Rafale have success in Saudi Arabia and I wouldn't mind even a few squads of tandem seat Navalized variants so we in the USN don't have to put all of eggs in one basket in the Super Hornet.

Aboiut the F-15 sale, are these to be GE powered as like the ROKAF models? AESA radar? What a shame these countries are buying new and better variants of our own weapons and we're wasting our taxpayers dollars fighting for AIDS in Afirca and subsidies like Egypt.
 
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 5):
I'd like to see the Rafale have success in Saudi Arabia and I wouldn't mind even a few squads of tandem seat Navalized variants so we in the USN don't have to put all of eggs in one basket in the Super Hornet.

Given the cost of adding another type aircraft to the fleet I doubt that would happen. Don't forget the money would have to come from somewhere and it's unlikely the Navy will give up funds for the "Super Hornet" or JSF. Then of course there's the politics.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 5):
wasting our taxpayers dollars fighting for AIDS in Afirca

I wouldn't really call that one a waste.But whatever.  

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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:56 am

It would be nice to see some better equiped F-15Es given to the front line squadrons. The older F-15Es could then be rotated to Reserve or National Guard squadrons and increase the punch that they pack.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:56 am

and that's more bad news for the raphale...but rest assured the RSAF has got one of the best as their choice, the F-15 is by no means a long shot at taking down some bogies...i mean lotsa bogies.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 5):
we're wasting our taxpayers dollars fighting for AIDS in Afirca

Damn straight! We should be using our tax dollars fighting against AIDS. Not for it. LOL
 
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:42 pm

Hi,

I understand that, in the case of South Korea, the Rafale actually won the fly-off but the F-15 was a political decision (not wanting to stir any pot, that's just the way military contracts go). Do you know if the same thing happened in Singapore?
It really is a shame, the Rafale is probably the most beautiful aircraft flying today and I am a really big fan of Dassault.

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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 10):
Quoting AirRyan (Reply 5):
we're wasting our taxpayers dollars fighting for AIDS in Afirca

Damn straight! We should be using our tax dollars fighting against AIDS. Not for it. LOL

The point I was trying to make was that i$40b in context to nearly $1 TRILLION in debt they have is nothing that will solve Afirca's problems - a crummy bandaid at best. $40 billion is a lot of money and can buy a whole lot of F-22's.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 11):
Hi,

I understand that, in the case of South Korea, the Rafale actually won the fly-off but the F-15 was a political decision (not wanting to stir any pot, that's just the way military contracts go). Do you know if the same thing happened in Singapore?
It really is a shame, the Rafale is probably the most beautiful aircraft flying today and I am a really big fan of Dassault.

Miguel

That must have been from the French papers because as I understood it the F-15K was selected because it was using proven tech on a proven airframe and the ROKAF could not afford to gamble on uncertainty. The F-15K's will serve very well in the ROKAF.

http://www.milavia.net/home/f-15k.jpg
 
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Sat Sep 10, 2005 1:25 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 12):
That must have been from the French papers because as I understood it the F-15K was selected because it was using proven tech on a proven airframe and the ROKAF could not afford to gamble on uncertainty. The F-15K's will serve very well in the ROKAF.

If you consider multiple editions of Flight International magazine as French newspapers then yes, it was...
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Sat Sep 10, 2005 3:37 am

You have to wonder what the future holds for Boeing's St. Louis facility. Unless there are other fighter competitions where the F-15 will be included once the last F-15's for the ROKAF and Singapore roll off the line that will be it. In addition once the last F/A-18E/F is delivered to the USN manned fighter aircraft production in St. Louis will be no more. Maybe the future for the St. Louis facility is in UCAV's.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 5):
What a shame these countries are buying new and better variants of our own weapons and we're wasting our taxpayers dollars fighting for AIDS in Afirca and subsidies like Egypt.

I for one do not view it as a "waste". If the money we spend on fighting AIDS slows the spread or comes up with a cure then it's money well spent.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:49 am

Who says there won't be another fighter produced after the F/A-18 E/F? No one really knows what the future holds. Maybe St. Louis will produce an actual A-10 replacement! Crazier things have happened.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting CX747 (Reply 15):
Who says there won't be another fighter produced after the F/A-18 E/F? No one really knows what the future holds. Maybe St. Louis will produce an actual A-10 replacement! Crazier things have happened.

Given the current state of the budget I doubt the DOD is going to spend the money to develop a replacement for a specialized aircraft such as the A-10. Especially for one that would have a limited production run.
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RE: Singapore Chooses F-15

Sat Sep 10, 2005 12:03 pm

I'm totally not up to date on these sorts of things. Were the T-45 and AV-8B built in STL? And also, are they still being produced at all?

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