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Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:28 am

I was wondering today about the aircraft and vehicles that served in Vietnam. I found a website of photos of israeli military tanks, and there were some WWII vintage german tanks captured by the Israelis from Egyptian and Syrian forces as recently as the late 60's, so I wondered if any air force still uses any grizzled veteran aircraft like those tanks. I know there are lots of UH1's, C130's and the like still in service, but I assume most of those still around are much newer builds... Does anyone still fly aircraft that actually saw combat during the war? My guess... the Australian Aardvarks?
 
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Thread starter):
I know there are lots of UH1's, C130's and the like still in service, but I assume most of those still around are much newer builds

The Philippines Air Force is still using UH1's from the Vietnam era. I don't know if they came from Vietnam, but they are definitely not newer builds.

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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:43 pm

RAAF still operates DHC-4 Caribous used in Vietnam by 35 Sqn now operated by 38 Sqn RAAF.
http://www.raaf.gov.au/organisation/technology/aircraft/caribou.htm

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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:44 am

I'm sure that some of the KC-135s are still in service although they have been re-engined. Also I think some of the AFRES units still have a few C-141s.
 
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting Dc8jet (Reply 3):
I'm sure that some of the KC-135s are still in service although they have been re-engined. Also I think some of the AFRES units still have a few C-141s.

By some, I'm sure you mean around 450 KC-135s still in service. The youngest rolled off the line in 1965. B-52s I think 63 or 64. Still a few 141s left at Wright-Patterson. Alot of the C-130Es are from the early to mid 60s.
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting Duce50boom (Reply 4):
By some, I'm sure you mean around 450 KC-135s still in service. The youngest rolled off the line in 1965. B-52s I think 63 or 64. Still a few 141s left at Wright-Patterson. Alot of the C-130Es are from the early to mid 60s.

Quite a few C-5s went to Nam as well.....
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:41 am

Navy is still flying F-5's for a aggressor squadron, they just bought a bunch from the Swiss Air Force with ECM sensors and anti-skid. Some of their Hodge podge fleet contains some ex South Viet nam AF jets that escaped the communist takeover. Most F-5's were prior USAF before the Navy took ownership with the USMC having a squadron of their own. They still use USAF tech data with contracted mx, probably some of the best maintained acft in the USN and probably most reliable. Most likely due to the fact they don't slam them on carriers and the Navy pilots actually flair to land them instead of using the AOA planting method. Yea Navy dudes I know all the squatting to pee jokes but how many F-18's went to a early grave because of the stress of carrier ops.
Also how about the T-2's, T-34's, T-37's and T-38's that are still be flown in numbers that even though they did not go to Nam they trained the pilots who flew there. Oh yeah, how about many South American air forces still flying OV-10's and A-37's which both saw extensive SEA use.
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:24 am

The US Army still uses Hueys with patches covering AAA or bullet holes in the fuselages from Vietnam.

We are also still flying some F-4's in the inventory (as drones, but in USAF colors and with USAF/USN s/n's).

Peru and Ecuador are still operating the A-37s and Jaguars from their earlier conflicts, and Argentina is still operating A-4s and Mirages from the Falklands war.

The US Army has under contract a Basler modified Douglas C-47 that they use out of Hurlburt and in Central America for "training" and other requirements. By definition that airplane is a veteran serving....as are some in use by South Africa and Greece.

To count other types of equipment that are veterans of older conflicts still in service:
Chile still has a couple of tank battalions consisting of Sherman tanks they purchased from Israel which were combat veterans, and the Australians were still operating ships from the Vietnam era as are a couple other navies, including ours.
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:42 am

Wow, Chile still uses shermans! That is insane, can you imagine a sherman meeting an M1A1 on the battlefield? Thanks for the info guys, this has made me wonder by extension, what is the longest serving vehicle in US military history? I imagine it would be a navy vessel... the Iowa battleships were built during WWII and served (albeit off and on) until the early 90's, but then again I guess the B52s are all over 40 and supposedly will be serving until 2040, which would make them the winners... I read in another thread here that taking a B52 to war in 2040 would be the equivalent, aircraft age-wise, of taking a sopwith camel into Iraq today.


Edit: Check out these shermans in current Chilean service... the turret and antennas are new, but that's the same hull that landed on Omaha over 60 years ago!


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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 7):
Australians were still operating ships from the Vietnam era

Not many though... a few landing craft(heavy) date from 1973-4 and 2 Amphibious support ships HMAS Manoora & HMAS Kanimbla whilst commisioned into the RAN in 1994 were built for the USN as Newport class LST in 1970.

Unit for unit the RAAF is probably older than the RAN, even our F/A18 are passing 20years old now. F111 are much older and some of the newest equipment would likely be the Challengers & BBJs of the VIP squadron(now there is a surprise)

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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:16 am

I think we still have T-37s flying around here (I saw a pair just couple weeks ago).. Based out of Randolph I think.. I am not sure of the service record, but they are almost certainly old enough.

One of the C-141s at WPAFB, The Hanoi Taxi, is the airplane that brought the POWs home.. It was still operational last I checked, it was recently repainted in the same scheme it wore when it went to Hanoi... It will be going to the USAF museum when it is retired.
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:53 am

They've been rebuilt a few times but you can count the majority of CH-46 and CH-47 airframes. How about the BUFFs and Buffalos, P-3, C-2/E-2, U-2, OV-10(still flying in other countries), Canberra, etc.
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:51 pm

Well, the RAF still operates a small number of Canberras - they must date from at least some time in the 1950s?


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There are not a huge number, but they are still used in front-line units. Apparently the PR9s were built in 1959 and have wooden components in their tails?
 
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 8):
Wow, Chile still uses shermans!

Some Croatian tanks used during the civil war of 1991 - 1995 were later builds of the Russian T-34 used on the Eastern Front 1943 - 1945. The machines were newer of course (late 50s and early 60s), but the design was more or less the same. The last time I heard, some still remain operational, but by now I gather they're all withdrawn, since the T-72s have mostly taken their place.

But back to air forces, Albania has some of the world's oldest operational combat aircraft, that include:

- MiG-15UTI
- MiG-19F, 19PM (all Chinese-built as the Shenyang F-6)
- Harbin H-5 (Il-28)
- Chengdu F-7As (MiG-21F-13)
- Ilyushin Il-14
- Harbin Z-5 (Mi-4)

The Aerospace Encyclopedia Of World Air Forces, from which these stats are taken, claims that the Albanian Air Force H-5 is the last of it's type operational in the world, though I remember seeing a picture of two Romanian H-5s a while back when one had an incident. Does anybody know what happened to the other one?
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 10):
One of the C-141s at WPAFB, The Hanoi Taxi, is the airplane that brought the POWs home.. It was still operational last I checked, it was recently repainted in the same scheme it wore when it went to Hanoi... It will be going to the USAF museum when it is retired.

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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:36 am

This becomes a very interesting question if you consider that the South fell on the 30th April 1975. For other types which I believe are still around in service somewhere today I would include:

Beech U-21, Bell AH-1 Hueycobra, Bell OH-58 Kiowa, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, Douglas A-3 Skywarrior, Douglas C-9 Nightingale, Hughes OH-6 Cayuse, Kaman UH-2 Seasprite, and Vought A-7 Corsair.

But the most surprising addition must be the F-14 Tomcat. Technically the type did 'serve in Vietnam' aboard the USS Enterprise by deploying in a 'combat zone' though they saw no action in those desperate last days.

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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:29 am

Germany still uses the F-4 Phantom, but they were built in 1974 if I remember correct. We also have Bell UH1-Ds, and Italy only retired the F104 last year...

BTW, the German machine gun used today, the MG3, is the old MG-42 from WW2, only slightly upgraded to use another caliber and with some modifications.

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Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:21 am

http://koti.welho.com/msolanak/c47cockpit.jpg
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:27 am

http://hafcphotos.cs.net/view/gp.cfm?photoid=141962&type=2
F-4E rather low pass, Greek style
 
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting Ghostbase (Reply 15):
Vought A-7 Corsair.

Do any airforces in the world still use this plane? I seem to recall that the Greeks have a few... how about the F8 crusader? These are probably my 2 favorite aircraft from the vietnam era.
 
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:44 am


Still nearly 100 flying here, A-7E, A-7H, TA-7C and TA-7H versions.
We also got T-2 Buckeyes, G-47 Bell, AB-205 and -206, PZL M-18 Dromader, Dornier 28, C-130B, Cessna T-41.
 
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Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:00 am

http://www.haf.gr/media/F-4E_pa.jpg
In service since 1972, some got an avionics upgrade in 2000.
 
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RE: Veteran Aircraft Still In Service?

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:23 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
how about the F8 crusader?

The last Crusaders were retired by the French Navy a couple of years ago. They were used as point defense fighters with their 20mm and Magic missiles as their armament, but they were known to be completely outclassed and were not even carried when the French sent the Foch into the Adriatic during the Kosovo conflict.

They were beloved by their pilots, but they were too old and not capable of BVR missile engagements and more of a liability than an asset by the end....sort of like Holyfield or Tyson trying to fight the young guys today.
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