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Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:56 pm

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http://www.daytondailynews.com/local...alnews/daily/1008memphisbelle.html

Aircraft has already moved here to Wright Patterson at the USAF Museum for complete restoration.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:42 pm

I have heard that there were arguments with the city of Memphis, Tennessee, because, while the plane was on loan from the USAF museum, the city would like to keep it, but during the last decades did practically no maintenance on it, leading to it getting in a very bad condition. I wonder if it will be brought back to Memphis after the restoration.

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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:23 am

I highly doubt that the "Memphis Belle" will be returning to Memphis after the restoration. The city of Memphis had the bird since the end of the war, and while they did take care of it for awhile, the aircraft was basically abandoned after the novelty of the aircraft's fame had worn off. The B-17 rightfully belong to the USAF, so it should get a place of honor in the WWII gallery of the museum, and in my opinion, display it right next to the B-24 "Strawberry Bitch". Can you see it now?.....The Belle & The Bitch.  Wink A B-17 & a B-24, the 2 most commonly used heavy bombers of the USAAF in WWII. Regards.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
I have heard that there were arguments with the city of Memphis, Tennessee, because, while the plane was on loan from the USAF museum, the city would like to keep it, but during the last decades did practically no maintenance on it, leading to it getting in a very bad condition. I wonder if it will be brought back to Memphis after the restoration.

Jan

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she deserves to be kept where she can be properly cared for.
 
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Can you see it now?.....The Belle & The Bitch.

Actually it would be the Baby, the Bitch, the Belle, and the Bocks Car...  Smile

The Baby: Shoo, Shoo Baby - The museums other combat vet B-17
The Bitch: Strawberry Bitch - The museums B-24
The Belle: B-17 Memphis Belle
The Bocks Car: B-29 that dropped the 2nd A-bomb....
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
I highly doubt that the "Memphis Belle" will be returning to Memphis after the restoration. The city of Memphis had the bird since the end of the war, and while they did take care of it for awhile, the aircraft was basically abandoned after the novelty of the aircraft's fame had worn off. The B-17 rightfully belong to the USAF, so it should get a place of honor in the WWII gallery of the museum, and in my opinion, display it right next to the B-24 "Strawberry Bitch". Can you see it now?.....The Belle & The Bitch. A B-17 & a B-24, the 2 most commonly used heavy bombers of the USAAF in WWII. Regards.

Agree totally. If you can't kep up an aircraft of this value, you need to let the people who can. Hard to believe the restoration will take up to 10 years though.

Anyone can email me and I will send you copy of the scan of the article and photo.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:45 am

The "Memphis Belle" will be staying at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force after its restoration.
 
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:36 pm

If I remeber right the B-17 that is now on display flew to Wright Pat after a lenghty reburb done by a group of reservists at Dover in the early 90's and is most likely flyable, I wonder what they will do with that one after the Belle is completed.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:55 pm

New Article and photo's:

Rebuilding History: Memphis Belle to be restored
By Timothy R. Gaffney

Dayton Daily News

WRIGHT-PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE | With the help of a big crane, the famous B-17 bomber Memphis Belle on Wednesday landed in its new home — the restoration hangar of the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force.

Bringing the best-known Flying Fortress to the Air Force's main museum has been an on-again, off-again goal of museum directors for decades.

Now, it's done.

"I am delighted," Museum Director Charles Metcalf said as he strolled around the big green pieces of the dismembered warbird.

The museum's restoration staff trucked the bomber in sections last week from Memphis, Tenn., where decades of outdoor display caused deterioration.

On Wednesday, a crew lifted the last section — the forward fuselage — from a flatbed truck onto the museum floor, where it sits in a cradle surrounded by other pieces like a giant model airplane kit.

Pointing out heavily corroded sections of the bomber, Metcalf said its restoration is likely to be a 7- to 10-year job, but will result in an airplane that looks ready to fly.

It may take as long to restore the facts about Memphis Belle, which became a symbol of American airpower when the Army put the plane and its crew on a national War Bonds tour during World War II.

Memphis Belle is widely known as being the first airplane to complete 25 combat missions over Europe. Museum press releases have even described it that way.

But Museum Research Historian Jeff Duford said it isn't so.

"There was one airplane that completed 25 missions before Memphis Belle. It was Hell's Angels," another B-17F, Duford said.

Memphis Belle is better known because it was the first 25-mission plane to be recalled to the United States for a tour, he said.

It was also the subject of a wartime documentary and a 1990 Hollywood film.

Duford said Memphis Belle is important because it was one of the first planes to complete 25 missions, and because it flew many of them as group or wing leader.

Contact Timothy Gaffney at 225-2390.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 7):
If I remeber right the B-17 that is now on display flew to Wright Pat after a lenghty reburb done by a group of reservists at Dover in the early 90's and is most likely flyable, I wonder what they will do with that one after the Belle is completed.

I was there when Shoo Shoo flew in.. It was flyable when they parked it... It is a B-17G if memory serves.. I think Memphis Belle is a B-17F (maybe an E).. There are a few very visible diffs between the models, they both could have a spot in the collection.
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
I was there when Shoo Shoo flew in.. It was flyable when they parked it... It is a B-17G if memory serves.. I think Memphis Belle is a B-17F (maybe an E).. There are a few very visible diffs between the models, they both could have a spot in the collection.

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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:02 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):
Found these pics on the net so everyone knows what we are talking about, my CRS disease kicked in it was 1988 that acft flew into FFO

Found this pic of the Belle on the Anet, no wonder the USAF grabbed it back, they took care of it like my wife takes care of her car. Looks like it should be parked in front of a trailer home.

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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:26 am

http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/
The Belle is now at WPAFB in the restoration hanger, looking forward to seeing it fully restored in its glory. My question will they make it look like it did 25 missions over Europe or coming of the assembly line at Boeing?
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 10):
my CRS disease kicked in it was 1988 that acft flew into FFO

Technically, it flew to DWF
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:32 am

Was the Belle at Mud Island a mockup or the real thing? I remember seeing it there in the late '80s or early '90s. It was under a white canopy structure, and looked (to my 5-7 year old eye) like it was in good condition, better than what it looked like in that 1987 picture.
 
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:50 pm

The Belle was located at MEM until the late 1980's, she was then taken apart, restored and relocated to Mud Island where she stayed until 2003, when once again we took her apart and moved her to NAS Millington where a very extensive restoration was started. Around the time of the move to Millington, a whole bunch of political BS happened here in Memphis between groups that wanted to represent the Belle and groups that were in charge of her care. In the end, she was given to a group that was restoring her the way she needed to be, however the group that lost the power struggle apparently had most of the political pull. Around that time, Gen. Metcalf (who in my opinion, always wanted the Belle in his possession at the Air Force Museum) set financial goals for during the restoration and visitor goals after the restoration that were impossible to attain in a city that, for lack of better words, didn't care. The restoration that had taken place up to the point of the news of the Belle's relocation plans was absolutely some of the best work I have ever seen on any aircraft, PERIOD. To say that the volunteers that were pouring their lives into this restoration love the old gal is an understatement.
 
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 9):
It is a B-17G if memory serves.. I think Memphis Belle is a B-17F (maybe an E).

You're right, Cap, the Memphis Belle is an early "F" model, and even looking @ the pics in a book I have, I still can't see any huge differences between the "E"s and early "F"s. Shoo-Shoo Baby is definately a "G", by the way.

By the way, where IS the National Museum of the Air Force? I'd like to go there, eventually!  Smile
 
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RE: Memphis Belle To Be Restored In Dayton OH

Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:07 am

The National Museum of the U. S. Air Force is the former Air Force Museum at Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio.

I saw the Memphis Belle in the restoration hangar at Millington and thought it was getting a good restoration from dedicated volunteers. It is interesting to note that had if not been for private interests and up to the Air Force, the Belle would have been scrapped long ago. Normally, USAF aircraft on display are the property of the NMUSAF. In this case, it was bought through surplus channels long ago much like many of the warbirds now flying. Thanks to those folks for keeping a historically significant airplane intact so the Air Force can again take possession.
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